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Old 10-25-2002, 10:35 AM  
The Hun
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There was a discussion about paying for submissions and such a while back here on the GFY. I see one big problem with it that made me decide not to go through with it: it would create an obligation. I think when people pay to be able to submit that they'd be pissed off if I would decline their gallery 'cause I didn't think it was good enough. I could put this all in the rules and everything, but if I'd decline it money would be wasted.

The only way to clear that problem would be to accept the galleries first and then let the payment decide if an accepted gallery would indeed be listed or not. Problem with that is that if a cheater would know the submission would be placed he'd pay some money for it to let it go through. The fees wouldn't be too hight. I will have payment information for a submitter like that, that's true... 'cause ways of payment are harder to come by than IP-addresses...

I realise the whole IMG-Source thing (which is roughly what I did, it works a little differently) could take down people that are 'merely' on the same server with another virtual account. In this particular case that wasn't how it was. But I used this trick before. This is all about people that do not want to listen and fail to show any respect for me, my site and my rules (which I can set on my own site I think). It is a 'last resort'... well, not truely, there's some other tricks I have up my sleeve, but I never had to use those yet, it will be a lot of fun finding out if they would work.

I'm pretty sure the kid who runs Drawnsex reads this as well, so I won't go into detail. But don't worry, he'll be the first to know anyway ;-).

I had to make excuses to hosts and stuff before. They all don't like the results of the actions taken, but most of 'em respect the reason I did it. The host is warned about any violations or cheats someone is pulling. The img source is only used if this host fails to even give so much as a reply...

It's a very shady thing to do, I realise that 100%. But would you do nothing if people disrespect any of your rules and 'cause hundreds of your visitors to be caught in a site stuffed with rape pictures and dialer programs?

In this case I wrote online-dialer, which is the company drawnsex.com is sending traffic to. Not even a single reply from them. Next time a gallery sneaks through I might have to pull this very stunt I did here directly on the host. Or I might want to find a better way first ;-)

Anyway, this whole cheating business every now and then pisses me off so much that I spend a lot of time trying to get these people down. My visitors get pissed off 'cause of drawnsex and I will do just about everything to keep my visitors happy. I'm sure this drawnsex kid does this to pretty much all link-sites out there. He goes by a lot of domains and a lot of names.

Cheaters do cause a lot of work. I blacklisted the whole of Cogent simply 'cause they were a haven for mostly Russian webmasters who cheated on every possible way. And they had accounts on pretty much all cogent's boxes. Blacklisting a domain-name wouldn't work. A couple of bucks buys you a new domain. It's not that webmasters are too lazy to blacklist only the cheaters instead of the entire domain, it's just almost impossible to filter out the rotten apples completely without blacklisting the whole IP-range. Another example of the good having to suffer for the bad. Unfortunately that's how things start to be...
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