Hey fork, well thought out thread, lemme answer.
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Originally Posted by Forkbeard
Fluffy, looks to me like you just learned your first lesson about traffic trading. Being, never trust anybody you don't know.
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Indeed. I knew that well enough, which is why I only sent a few hits to begin with.
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Frankly from Scroto's responses I'd never trade with him, his attitudes are common but he's not demonstrating much of a "give a shit" when it comes to being fair with his trading partners.
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Pretty much sums it up.
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However, I dabbled in traffic trading for awhile and quickly learned that there's a thousand scammers for every honest trader. To thrive in that game you have to be cynical, suspicious, and have an itchy trigger finger. Which means that it's generally not worth it for a small traffic generator to trade with the big boys unless you know them and know they have a fair rep (like, say, Shemp does). It's not that they set out to cheat you -- I'm sure Scroto's honest in his own mind -- it's just that they have been cheated so often and so badly that they don't really give a fuck if they happen to cheat random strangers in the name of protecting themselves. Especially when the random strangers are sending such tiny volumes of traffic that the economics really shouldn't matter to anybody.
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And I fully understand that, and it ain't news, and it's why I kept saying, dude, just man up to it and forget about it, what the fuck. Back on page 1 all over.
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What I learned when I was starting out and trying to trade my initial tiny trickles of traffic was that you just have to throw trades at the wall to see what sticks. Try a new trade, send your traffic, monitor the returns closely, write the traffic black holes like Scroto on your blacklist, and move on. It's not worth drama, you're just looking for trading partners who value your traffic. You'll find some eventually.
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Yup. He wasn't my only trade by all means.
And yea, you have to throw shit around see what sticks. I'm lucky that I have a strong project with big traffic to throw around. Some noob, especially if buying his start-up traffic, maybe can't afford to throw it around as much. Which is why I've started the thread in my sig - The State of the Skim.
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Oh, and I should add, it sounds like your beef with Scroto is more about communications than anything else -- if he thought your traffic was crap, he should have said so, sez you, instead of just killing the trade and silently accepting the traffic.
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That, and in general the attitude that 1. he's doesn't give a shit, 2. he's too cool to have to give a shit and 3. he can icq people to come post here and look like asshats too.
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I remember when I used to feel that way. Then I ran a niche TGP for awhile. What I learned is that there are so many scammers, lamers, and freaks out there that it's IMPOSSIBLE to communicate with all of them. You can't find a polite way to say "no, piss off, go away, what part of no didn't you understand?" a thousand times a day, and there's NO MONEY in it for you if you could. You just have to silently delete / ban / ignore all the ripoff artists. Which means that once in blue moon you'll get a bewildered letter from an honest but clueless person going "why did you delete me and not say anything?"
My policy was to fix those "screwups" of mine and be nice about it, but I was small and the volume was rare. If I were dealing with 100k scammers a day and got 100 honest-but-clueless emails, I'd have to ignore those too. It's simply not possible to process them all.
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Yes, listen. The guy doesn't have more traffic than I do. He's not, like people try to pump him here, some sort of anything. He's a 2nd or 3rd rater trying to make it just as much as anyone.
At any rate. Cheers and good luck.