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Originally Posted by moeloubani
its a fucking chicken. whether YOU want to believe it or not animals can't look at themselves and reflect about their day. they don't have that.
yes, they are zombies. exactly, that's what an animal is.
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In that case, do you condone the chopping of of the noses of those with severe mental deficiencies?. How about locking severely autistic children in cages so they can't move for months at a time? These individuals can't look at themselves and reflect upon their day. So by your standards, there is really no need to show them any semblance of decency.
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Originally Posted by moeloubani
it might be hard for you to think that some tiny little dog thats oh so cute is just crying because he misses his mom, but in reality he has no choice - he has to cry because thats what evolution has put in him as a stay alive mechanism.
sure an animal KNOWS it in a cage but an animal doesn't think to itself 'fuck, this is a fucking horrible cage' it just does whatever it can in that cage. But it doesnt get upset or anything as long as its essential needs aren't covered in which case it will react through instinct, not feelings.
What about spiders, do they have feelings too? And ants? And bacteria? We shouldn't throw out food because there might be bacteria on it!! We can't have walls because we will trap mold and make it sad!! Give me a fucking break dude. There is only one creature on earth with feelings and that is humans. Anything else is instinct.
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An animal cries for the same evolutionary reason we cry. It played some role in their ability to survive. Crying in both species is just a set of hormones releasing and brain receptors triggering. It's completely biological in both of us. The fact we can sit and write poems about our sadness doesn't make our emotion more "real".
And the statement that we are the only creature on the Earth with feelings is a complete lack of understanding of biology. The limbic system which handles emotions in our brains has been found in species all the way back to tetrapods.
The booby is a bird that only has one partner it's entire life. Hens have hierarchy in their roosts. Lions battle each other for power. Fish have been shown to have their own personalities. These emotions from trust, to love, to respect are all in animals. We all have fight or flight receptors that determine our level of fear.
And you can try and dumb it down by saying it's only their instinct, but the same can be said for us. Feelings and emotions are all just biological aspects of our bodies that were put in place for some evolutionary benefit. We are all living off instinct. We all share many of the same neurotransmitters. So while our understanding of our emotions is much more profound than other animals, it doesn't mean they don't share many of the same ones we do.
But none of this is really relevant to the conversation. This isn't about giving voting rights to Chickens. It's showing common decency toward another animal. It's about not torturing an animal by subjecting it to unnecessary pain. Pain is an emotion all animals feel and try to avoid. If a chicken was just some mindless zombie, they wouldn't run away and screech when you pluck out one of their feathers.
All people are saying is show some level of compassion toward another species. We have evolved to a level where we don't need to resort to this kind of stuff to survive.