Originally Posted by moeloubani

children maybe, but not babies

and dogs do know what pain is but they dont self reflect on it like we do, like its pain at the instinct level not at the emotional level

and about the purpose thing: when you are bred and brought onto earth for consumption, that is your purpose...pretty simple...and if you want to argue if we have the right to breed animals strictly for the purpose of eating them then make the argument with nature and the food chain, because thats just how things are.

stop fucking around people you cant seriously believe that animals have feelings, you give humans no fucking credit. we are vastly superior to animals. sure some animals can do some things better than us, but no other animal can feel and self reflect, plan things out and communicate like us.

if you show a hyena its picture in a mirror its not going to see itself, its going to see another hyena, and it will react accordingly and thats the same with every animal even humans at a very early age

to say that a chicken clucking about like a little chicken is pissed that it is in a small cage assumes that the chicken knows that its a chicken and knows that somewhere else there is something better and knows that things would be better if it got out, and i assure you it has no fucking clue about any of those things. after all, its just a chicken.

same with dogs, cats, donkeys, horses, chimps, pigs, ants, rats and mice, all of them

they just live to reproduce, at a very basic level of existence, but nowhere near to what humans have