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vcr were illegal because they could be used to bootleg movies.
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oranges have vitamin c in them, thus everything you said is wrong
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oh wait vcr were legal and only the people using them in that illegal way were convicted
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i say your full of shit and haven't pointed out one fact to backup your claims
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nothing about that ruling says it only applies to VTR it established a right irregardless of the technology that was used to do it.
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so whatever ruling egyptians made about trading drawings still stands today.. cool
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IF what you were saying was legitimate and the precedent would have to be established with every new technology
Tivo /pvr would have had to gone to the supreme court too. The precedent (with the established right of timeshifting) protected all the other technology that came after it.
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just because you havent been busted doesnt mean its legal
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no that is a link to a court case idiot
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there is no law that makes selling porn legal either, it was a court case that did that
just because there is no law that explictly saying that timeshifting is legal doesn't make it illegal.
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so you admit you lied about there being a law saying timeshifting was legal..
There is no such law and you made it all up in your head.
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two different issues and you know it
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umm didnt you say theres no such thing as "different" thats why torrents are exactly the same as vcr's right ?
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the court case doesn't say that it would be a crime if they had been notified but because they weren't they get off
it says that the action was not an infringement.
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in that particular case with those particular facts, you still have to argue your side.
Thats why copyright cases are often won and lost , because cases are different.
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If you want to use your drug analogy, the crack dealer example you gave would be not complying with the appropriate takedown request of the country in question.
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what are you talking about ?
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what exactly about
go after the leechers who don't have a fair use right to the content do you totally understand better than i "
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nobody said not too.
Pawnshops have certain rules they must follow above and beyond what would be required by a normal store because its obvious they are used to procure stolen goods.
you catch my drift.. if you want a cloud by all means, but you must first make sure the cloud isn't being abused , otherwise you are devaluing the content.
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since the beginning of the conversation was simply pointing out that the thread starter should file a complaint complient with that countries laws, and not expect them to comply with the DMCA take down notice. there is no way you can get to your last statement without arguing that rico was part of copyright law.
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common sense says you ask me , and i already told you, if you want to play ignorant, feel free.
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the fact is you don't have a right to force people to obey US laws, they don't take precedents over the other countries laws.
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funny thing is nobody suggested they do. a dmca request fulfills all the requirements under many different countries copyright laws.
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The subsequent arguements about the legality of timeshifting under US laws don't change that fact.
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there was no argument, you are the only one arguing made up laws in your head.
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Show me one case where the issue was brought up and a judge actually ruled it doesn't apply.
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i cant show you a ruling where "being an idiot" is fair use, doesn't mean "being an idiot" now becomes fair use.
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The only convictions you can point to are ones where those key issues are hidden.
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i think what you mean was they found timeshifting to be an excuse and ignored it.
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you are demanding that i show a law that says timeshifting tv shows is legal
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and you havent done it yet.
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but when i show you a court case you say that doesn't count
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thats because thats not what i asked for.. if i ask for an orange and you give me an apple, dont be suprised if i say "that is not an orange"
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you ignore the fact that timeshifting ruling from 24 years ago was just recently extended to the cloud
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post away these interesting "made up in your head" facts
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you argue that they are "completely unrelated"
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actualy you said
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two different issues and you know it
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but fail to document one failed precondition that could be used to argue that timeshifting in a cloud ruling doesn't apply.
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no i base my thoughts on reality pretty much. I dont walk by a crack dealer and say"must be legal" , i say "that shit is fucked up"
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20 years he is still selling crack , must be legal then according to gideon
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, the only way in which parody get overruled is when it is proven it doesn't meet one of the established court preconditions.
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and so will your cloud/timeshifting bs.. just wait..
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just like a vcr which could not tell if you were using it for the legitimate purpose of timeshifting or the infringing actitity of bootleg cassettes.
It didn't make VCR illegal hense it doesn't make the torrents illegal either.
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just to let you know , you are the only one on the planet who thinks a vcr is a torrent website..
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That the principle of the legal system, precedents are established you try and extend them to apply in new ways. However once they have been extended they DO apply to all cases.
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with the exact same criteria, if there are other factors the result can be much different, thats why even though parody is "fair use", parody cases have been lost , why because the addle brained idiot who argued it was "parody" got shot down.. they THOUGHT what they were doing was protected, and up until the court case they probably sounded very similar to you , bantering on about other court cases with parody etc etc how long they hve been doing it etc etc
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Can i predict the extension no, can i predict the ruling after the extension has happened yes.
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no actually you cant , or you would be a billionaire.. sorry you lose. Ever heard of the term "delusion of grandeur"
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Judges are bound by those previous rulings.
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yet they often rule the opposite of a previous ruling...
Just because you claim it , doesn't mean the court will accept your arguments..
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says the guy who advices admitting to a criminal act of fraud to get out of a civil liability of a false takedown request.
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says the guy who admits he injects homless people with acid.