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Originally Posted by jezebelz
You failed to mention that the water boarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was effective, not to mention the positive outcome of it. By his own admission, the fact that we water boarded him allowed him to give us information without betraying his religious faith. That information in turn saved lives..millions of them. Information we would have never gained if it hadn't been for techniques such as water boarding. To say this guy was "innocent" well, is just flat out wrong. If you remember a few years back there was a viral video on the net of an American being beheaded. Al Qaeda had it all over their site. That person was Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Well, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted he did it.
I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but radical Islamists torture our troops and our prisoners of war...regularly. Their hatred of us is so deeply rooted alot of times it's for the pure sport of it This has been well documented by the way. Waterboarding is tickling them compared to what they do when one of ours is captured.
All the theories and feel good philosophies about "reasoning" with terrorists are just nice, warm and fuzzy in a theoretical world. In the real world, they aren't practical. It's humorous watching how enamored liberals get at the mere mention of the name G.W. Bush. Historians will eventually document his time in office with far more positives than negatives. This will surely piss off the 20% of the populous that has this never ending hard-on for him.  |
Welcome back fake nick motherfucker - I got your ass banned last time...Now you want to tangle some more you clown? Glad you don't care about ever getting your old nick back (according to the new rules). Have fun starting over with 31 posts.
NOW about your opinion that the torture of prisoners "was effective" and "had a positive outcome" - It's well documented that the torture of prisoners does NOT produced any useful intel - NOT NOW, NOT EVER. The prisoner will say ANYTHING to get the torture to stop.
"Millions" of lives were saved? You have got to be kidding me? You are regurgitating a LIE - it was spread by FOX News... No lives were saved with the intel from KSM. ZERO
Fox News runs with dubious claim that KSM's interrogation thwarted L.A. plot
Fox News hosts and contributors have advanced the assertion that the use of harsh interrogation techniques on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed "stopped an attack on the Library Tower in Los Angeles." But the Bush administration said that the attack was thwarted in February 2002 -- more than a year before Mohammed was captured.
In recent days, several Fox News hosts and contributors have advanced the claim by former Bush speechwriter Marc A. Thiessen that the use of harsh interrogation techniques -- including waterboarding -- on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed "stopped an attack on the Library Tower in Los Angeles." But the claim conflicts with the chronology of events put forth on multiple occasions by the Bush administration, as Slate.com's Timothy Noah has noted. Indeed, the Bush administration said that the Library Tower attack was thwarted in February 2002 -- more than a year before Mohammed was captured in March 2003.
During an interview with Thiessen on the April 17 edition of Fox News' The Live Desk, co-host Rick Folbaum stated, "We haven't had a terror attack since 9-11 here in the United States. Might these techniques have been the reason that we haven't been attacked since then?" Thiessen responded, "It absolutely is. This attack -- this program stopped an attack on the Library Towers in Los Angeles." Neither Folbaum nor co-host Martha MacCallum challenged Thiessen's claim. Later, former federal prosecutor John Flannery said, "[T]he truth is people will say anything when they're tortured, including that the program worked." Thiessen replied, "That's absolutely false. ... The interrogation of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed -- the interrogation of Salid [sic] Shaikh Mohammed led to the capture of a cell of Jemaah Islamiyah terrorists who were planning to hijack a plane and fly it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles. And if it had not been for this program, there would be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York City."
http://mediamatters.org/research/200904220032
Your are merely restating the LIES that FOX has told you - it's well documented from the ACTUAL INTERROGATORS that torture does not work. AND even if it did - this is the United States of America - are you forgetting that? We signed the Geneva Convention REMEMBER?
This is the USA, WE DO NOT TORTURE - WE are different than the terrorists, we are NOT THE SAME, we believe in the RULE OF LAW, we believe in HUMAN RIGHTS (or we used to). We hold ourselves to a HIGHER STANDARD Even if there are some idiots getting on planes with bombs WE DO NOT TOTURE.