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Old 12-19-2010, 12:25 PM  
Vendzilla
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Originally Posted by WarChild View Post
Don't be a fucking idiot it's unbecoming of you. You can't dismiss one set of facts with another. Thinking you can is its self ridiculous, but the counter-example you used is so absolutely absurd it should be beaneath anyone. Especially you.

Let's forgive just for a second that one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other and indulge your need to change the subject away from the facts and illustrate for you just how absurd it is.

Medical Science saves more lives every year, by an enormous margin, than they accidentally kill. The evidence for this is clear. People in the United States are living longer and fuller lives and that is of an almost direct result of Medcial Sciences.

I defy you to show me any statistic that says Doctors do more harm than good. You can't. Further, you already know that if you'll just be honest with yourself. For example, we know that you have at least one child. Clearly you love your daughter, you post about her with a sense of pride. Was she ever sick as a child and required a doctor? Was she born in a Hospital? If she were in a car accident in front of you, would you have her rushed to an ER? See you already know your argument is silly because of course you would seek medical help for your child! This alone proves you're not ACTUALLY worried that Doctor's are more dangerous than they are helpful.

On the flipside, if we take out suicides and assume they'll happen either way, and look at only homicides and accidents involving firearms, that's still some 17,000 or so deaths a year in the US alone. Do you think you can find more than even say 100 examples of firearms in the hands of citizens saving lives? Of course not.

Let me head you off at the pass before you bring up deaths caused by automobile accidents and just remind you again that one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Finally, I'm not actually advocating for any more gun control in the United States. You have a culture of guns there, for better or for worse, and it is what it is. I'd just like you to be honest about the facts though. Your gun deaths per capita puts you closer to being on par with African nations than it does most developed Western Nations.
To me, a gun is a tool, people die all the time from accidents from tools. They handle them in a stupid way and they die, I have no remorse.
I grew up with guns, never an issue because like all tools, I was trained in how to use them, I trained my daughter and she has a carry permit. I have guns that are over 100 years old, I can hunt, shoot and self protect. It's my right and one I cherish.
My daughter grew up in a house that had many guns in it, she visited her grandma that had even more guns. And her grandfather has more guns than that. Yet no one got hurt, because we handle them responsibly
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that
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