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Originally Posted by Harmon
Fact is, Pandora is out of the box.
If you are asking if the "tubes" buy legal content? Yes they do. Some don't, who fucking cares?
If you are asking if they have tons of "illegal" content on them? Yes they do.
The fact of the matter is that the pornography game, as far as time goes back has always been a somewhat small operation. Let me explain.
1980s BBS Days: gifs that took 17 hours to load on 300 baud modems made guys thousands; took one horny kid
1990-something-ish, internet born as well as flatbed scanners - again, something a teenager could make a couple of hundred grand a year off of just rescanning the shit he has jerked off to a million times. Anyone with a cam can make HUGE money with "amateurs" and a domain name. 900 billing is fucking HUGE!
I know that is an incomplete synopsis of the entire history of porn online, but my point being...
Pan away to 2010-2011. Most of those same guys that were used to pointing and shooting at local bitches for 100k+ per year are feeling the brunt. It's no longer a small guy's industry. Corporate has taken over. It sucks, I feel it... kind of.
Legal costs would be through the roof, and most are plain out lazy. There are no definitive laws regarding user uploaded content. Some can complain about DMCA laws, but when it comes down to it, once again - Pandora is out of the box.
That leaves the content producers... the little guys used to operating out of their 2 bedroom apartments in the 90s to either:
A) Fight them at the cost of years life's savings
B) They are already broke because the same guys did too much coke and bought shit
C) License it out and pay bitches less
D) fuck "X" number of licenses, let's just sell that 40 min video to 10,000 people if I can - I'll blame it one the tubes stealing my shit 
Any way you cut it, something needs to be done. It's sad and it is totally the end of an era. Even the major vets on this board, not naming names, but they try to pull their "clout" and it looks stupid. It's embarrassing actually.
It's a big money game now, and right now all of the money is only going to a few selected corporations. One of those corporations is not me.
Good luck. |
Great feedback and analysis. Didn't think about it until you mentioned it in that way. OK, very true, now its a game a big corporations, its the natural course of things i guess and i think its not something bad, the bad thing is that this big corporations are doing bad things .... So i guess you need to be skilled enough or loose the game against them. Off course with all the "illegal" stuff they did or are doing, makes it really taugh for honest legit people, so lets say i would like to clean the path for this legit guys ( being me one of those ) ....
My questions actually are the ones you answered, you actually took the time to read my whole post and got pretty well my idea, what i would love to know is, ok, we already know they are buying content, how much of it? Can they survivie with that bought content? is that bought content only 10% and 90% illegal or from parties that can't afford time/money/etc to go against them, or they already turned things the other way round and its 90% licensed for full streamming and only 10% is illegal in which case they turned into a LEGAL unfair competition and there is no other way but to fight this back LEGALLY, and on that field i can't do anything, but when it comes to computers, i can do a lot with them and i willing too ....
So ... How legit are tubes these days? Are producers getting into the unfair competition game by selling their whole footage to them or are they fighting back? Would it have sense to have a tool like the one i mention for DMCA guys quicky cut tubes library ( Hurting their surfers audience ) and maybe all small and not that small producers together fill a good lawsuit when this tool automatically group tons of content on tubes from them?
The point is, we all know its a big companies game today, what i want to know is if this game is already LEGIT or still dirty and are playing with their huge name and budgets to scare people out of doing something about it? And the only ones that try just get bought ....
I'm willing to try to make a huge FREE effort to cut off all the illegal content they may have on their libraries and off course making this information public so producers can get together and file class lawsuits against them, but that game, the one of the lawsuits and even further doing something about the unfair competition if they already became legit is a fight i wont enter into it TODAY, i don't have the resources for it .... i may in the future, right now, only willing to stay on the online part and give everyone really interested on taking them down a tool to be used legally against them ....
Please keep sending thoughts .... I'm really looking forward of answers and see if i re-schedule some big projects i have to start this one ....
The point is that as you say, they are big corporations and are not stupid, so if my tool gets successfull, they will end up becoming legit by buying tons of small producers content or doing whatever it takes to stay alive, and this will keep like this until someone ALSO does something in court .... Being this file big class lawsuits against them with all small/medium and big studios/producers chasing them for the illegal content they streammed and are streamming from them in the past AND off course doing something about unfair competition, as their business model of giving out free movies and profiting from dating/cams sites seems to work very well for them so even if they don't have any fucking producer willing to license them the full footage, i think they are in conditions of shooting content just for their tube sites .... So at the end, it will all end on the same place, UNFAIR COMPETITION, we will all just start shooting the best content we can and buy cheap bandwidth and give it for free in exchange of selling expensive spots OR take them down, in the meanwhile, we ( the ones involved in the paysites biz are giving them our money as a gift ... )
So, at the end, someone MUST take this into the unfair competition field, meanwhile, you are just letting them profit and keep profiting and making the paysites model coming back more and more taugh .... What do you think about this? Will someone do this somehow someday? why isn't there anybody doing it still? ( I only can remember one case of someone doing it and i think they cut a deal ... )
Ps: As a side note, i also think on a lawsuit mansef got from a studio ( PinkVisual i think ), they answered back that the lawsuit should be dropped as this same company that was filling the lawsuit also used somehow copyright content from mansef ... I'm not sure if that argument can sustain in court, but if it does, i'm just making myself a question, what is stopping anyone stream all brazzers full length movies for free? I mean, somehow they did in the past stream lots of studios content for free, those studios then are in condition of streamming all their content for free?