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Nathan · 01-23-2011, 03:16 AM

Eric, very different words you post here than you usually post in any of the threads talking about me or my corp... interesting remarks coming from you...

tblocker,

"Copyright infringement tubes" can never be legal, by definition of the words you just used. But, not all tubes are "copyright infringement". Ours are not, because we follow DMCA rules. The unfair competition one has nothing to do with legal or illegal.

Brazzers upsells to all kinds of sites. Moviebox is just one of them. They all give the user something different. They are not clear competition, they are extensions to what we offer. Upsells are an important part of member value... people that pay for porn jump from site to site. The tighter the upsell network, the more likely it is that they stay with our products or come back to them at some point.

You say if I can afford it to offer the service for $1 per month, I should do it... but free I should not? If I can afford offering the service for free, why is that so much worse than offering it for $1? Hardly makes sense to me. It is not unfair competition, its not like we use the tubes as a loss-leader, we do make money with them.

I own Manwin, I have nothing to do with Mansef other than I bought all their assets last year. And yes, we own big tubes and we own big paysite networks too. We simply have a difference of opinion as to how much harm our tubes do to the industry. We protect our exclusive content, but we have to protect it much more on non-tube sites than on tubes...

Regularly means regularly, it changes... If it were yearly I would say that.

Us licensing content has nothing to do with us uploading it. Also, the claim that we have no amateur content is wrong, we do have that.

The part you are not understanding in general, as so many others do not... COPYRIGHTED content does not automatically become INFRINGING on a tube site. The upload MIGHT be infringing right away, but the tube site is not. Content becomes infringing as soon as we get a DMCA notice. Before that, it might very well be copyrighted, but even if we know its copyrighted, that does not make it illegal content!

01-23-2011, 03:16 AM
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Eric, very different words you post here than you usually post in any of the threads talking about me or my corp... interesting remarks coming from you... tblocker, "Copyright infringement tubes" can never be legal, by definition of the words you just used. But, not all tubes are "copyright infringement". Ours are not, because we follow DMCA rules. The unfair competition one has nothing to do with legal or illegal. Brazzers upsells to all kinds of sites. Moviebox is just one of them. They all give the user something different. They are not clear competition, they are extensions to what we offer. Upsells are an important part of member value... people that pay for porn jump from site to site. The tighter the upsell network, the more likely it is that they stay with our products or come back to them at some point. You say if I can afford it to offer the service for $1 per month, I should do it... but free I should not? If I can afford offering the service for free, why is that so much worse than offering it for $1? Hardly makes sense to me. It is not unfair competition, its not like we use the tubes as a loss-leader, we do make money with them. I own Manwin, I have nothing to do with Mansef other than I bought all their assets last year. And yes, we own big tubes and we own big paysite networks too. We simply have a difference of opinion as to how much harm our tubes do to the industry. We protect our exclusive content, but we have to protect it much more on non-tube sites than on tubes... Regularly means regularly, it changes... If it were yearly I would say that. Us licensing content has nothing to do with us uploading it. Also, the claim that we have no amateur content is wrong, we do have that. The part you are not understanding in general, as so many others do not... COPYRIGHTED content does not automatically become INFRINGING on a tube site. The upload MIGHT be infringing right away, but the tube site is not. Content becomes infringing as soon as we get a DMCA notice. Before that, it might very well be copyrighted, but even if we know its copyrighted, that does not make it illegal content! __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger