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Old 05-05-2011, 12:52 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by gideongallery View Post
bullshit i do care about the potential loss, my arguement is based on balance and previous precedent

copyright holders said the VCR was infringing because it would cost them the revenue they would have gotten from people watching reruns.

copyright holders said the diamond rio was infringing because it would cost them the revenue they got from selling people 7 songs they didn't want to get the 3 on the album they did want.


both of those "lost revenue" streams were income generated by using copyright exclusive right to prevent alternative MEDIUMS from competing (beta max tapes vs re runs & mp3 vs CD)

which is exactly what i pointed the extra $3-4, your defending, is coming from (theaters VS DVD VS Broadcast TV VS PPV VS Streaming VS Torrents)

i have asked you over 53 times now to explain what is so different about the revenue that justifies handicapping of competitive mediums this time when it was never accepted in those previous cases

you keep dodging the question.
It is very simple. If the VCR was never allowed to exist there would NEVER be movies on tape. If the MP3 was never allowed to exist there would NEVER be digital music. With a movie it will be out in all kinds of different formats. You aren't denied it forever you just have to wait for it.

-When a drug company invents a new drug they get the sole rights to be the distributor for that drug for a number of years. The idea is that since they took all the risks to develop it, they can use that time to recoup their cost.

-Sports teams limit access to their product all the time. With the NFL if the game isn't sold out they black it out in the local market to force people to buy a ticket. MMA and Boxing have PPV events all the time where the only two ways to see the event is to buy a ticket and see it live or pay $50 to watch the broadcast on PPV

-The music industry does a version of this when they release a single or two and use it to build up interest in an album then release the full album.

-Netflix is doing a version of this right now. Netflix doesn't get many new releases for around 30-90 days after they are released. they cut a deal with the movie studios that they would wait to get the new releases in exchange for getting more of their library available on streaming.

- Many clothing companies do this. They have exclusive deals with certain retail stores that force you to shop at certain stores in order to buy that particular brand of clothes.

- Premium cable does this. HBO and Showtime develop their own shows like Dexter and True Blood. The only place you can see them (at first) is on those channels so they force you to buy those channels in order to watch them. Later they make them available on DVD.

-Going back to the music industry we are seeing more and more exclusive deals with stores. When Taylor Swift put out her last album she made a deluxe version that had a couple of extra songs, but it was only available at Target. AC/DC struck a deal that Walmart would be the only store that carried their latest album.

What I am getting at is that that there is a difference between EXCLUSIVE and MONOPOLY. The movie companies are simply releasing their material in a manner that makes it exclusive at first so that they have the best possible chance to recoup their investment. They are not denying anyone it, they are just telling them that if they don't want to pay the exclusive price, they will have to wait a few months.

If that doesn't answer this question you have supposedly asked me 53, times then I need you to calm down and actually write sentences that look something like the English language and explain to me what it is that you want want me to tell you.
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