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Originally Posted by mynameisjim
They defended themselves because they had already been charged and faced jail time. They obviously had to defend themselves and the only way to pay their legal fees was to try to continue to make money.
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Once again, you are trying to confuse my arguments. I said that once it becomes too risky, the pirates would move on. Obviously, once they are arrested and charged, they will have to defend themselves, but that doesn't mean that they will all be fighting for your cause, they will be fighting to keep their asses out of jail. But once a few are charged and the others see that the loopholes have all been closed, the rest will start to close up shop or change their models, like I said.
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but if the only way that they can keep their asses out of jail is to defend their actions using the free speech arguement
then that win automatically defends my free speech rights.
That the point i am making, no matter how much money the copyright cartel puts together to change the law, they can't over come the 1st ammendment because every law ever created must comply with the constitution
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For example, if the top 5 largest tube sites were raided and the owners sent to jail or hit with huge fines, do you think the remaining tube sites would organize and try to fight the laws?
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seriously you don't believe that google and all the other tube site owning companies don't have their own lobby group.
their banding together right now
that why the pro ip got blocked
the point i am making and your ignoring is that when your public justification for blocking the bill is the constitution it doesn't take a lot of effort to block such a bill
1 guy in the committee can do it and if anyone tries to argue how it represents millions of dollars in losses
all he has to do is say "cotton farms lost the equivalent of billions of dollars when slaves were set free, loss of money should never be a justification for taking way peoples freedoms"
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I would put money on the fact that most would simply close up shop. The only ones fighting would be the ones who had already been charged.
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why would you believe that youtube would be so stupid as to wait for the law to pass before fighting it.
they are going to make the free speech arguement early
and you will get a safe harbor equivalent in this law too
there no way you can stop it because to leave it out would lead to 1st ammendment violations.
the supposed "loophole" will never disappear because it not a "loophole" at all
simple the balance in the law to counteract the over reaching power.
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Do you see the difference in what I'm saying and what you're saying regarding the Pirate Bay and pirate sites defending themselves?
Even if I accept your case about the Pirate Bay as a counter argument to mine, it's still clearly an exception and not the rule. My point still remains that the number of media companies that want to fight the laws far outweigh the number of piracy site owners who want to risk their freedom and money by fighting for the right to stream videos. And that's why the media companies will eventually win. Not saying it's right, but that's what will happen.
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except your arguement is flawed in the fact that every law created must obey the constitution
the religious right outweight this industry for example
yet the 1st ammendment prevents all that money from changing the laws to outlaw this free speech.
if what you were saying was valid then this industry would be dead already
the wonderful thing about the constitution is it holds back the tide of injustice no matter how many people support that injustice.