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also where's the cut off point, i'll never forget, we were in Hawaii, had a slap up family meal in a nice hotel, over the xmas period, the total bill was just under $1,000, so it wasn't cheap, my old fella gave the waiter an $80 tip, the waiter complained 'sir, tips should be at least 15%'... I couldn't believe it, he wanted $150 for a few minutes with us, really?? no offence to him, he was very good, but he was serving food not defending us in court!!
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