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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
This thread has received a lot of attention. It has over 7,000 views. One would think many different paysite owners have read it. Where are they commenting that these tubes are making them a lot of money with no down side? I don't care that you do business with Manwin. It's just that when you reply to something like this I know what your answer and position is going to be already because you've spent the last year popping up in any thread about Manwin and defending them and saying their tubes are great for you.
Let's see comments from people who are more objective.
People who fit the following criteria:
1. People who are not an employee of a tube.
2. People who have not spent the last year defending Manwin in every thread like this.
3. People who are not playing "I scratch your back, you scratch mine Bro"
There are thousands of paysite owners who fit this criteria that are reading this forum. Let's hear from them and get their experiences.
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1. I am not an employee of any tube.
2. I haven't said much about Manwin other than them being a 400lb gorilla. Not exactly a compliment but a straight acknowledgement of the fact. Besides that, being someone that came out and said what experiences I had with them is all I have done. If the experience had been bad I would have had the balls to say it. If they fucked us over then we have a long history of going after anyone who messes with us.
While you are content to stand there with a pitchfork and a torch and yell from your soapbox that everyone should get together and fight, fight, fight, I have actually been in those fights, protracted legal battles that have had a profound and positive effect on everyone including those content to sit on the sidelines, and with very little support from the industry except for a very rare few.
3. There you go with a "bro" accusation which bothers me more than most because I have actually gone after the so-called "bros" more than anyone here can lay claim to. Do you know what a catch-22 is? Well, you are putting people in a catch-22. You can't work with an affiliate and try to make money together unless you have a "scratch each others back" relationship so asking for people not to contribute because they have to have that relationship (marketing 101 really) makes it impossible for anyone to say anything without violating your restrictions.
You are asking for "objectivity" in a situation that "subjectivity" is way more valuable. Who is going to be more objective? The program that is making money on tubes or the ones not making money? You can't be neutrally "objective" in this discussion if you don't have experience and knowledge of the issues. So that only leaves people that by virtue of the debate have to provide subjectivity in order to contribute meaningfully.
The more this goes on the less informative it becomes and the more obvious it is that you just have an agenda to once again go "tubes are bad". The success of this thread is more due to the wealth of subjective practical information being shared and discussed than it is due to the drama.
