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Old 06-08-2012, 07:54 AM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by Barefootsies View Post
Why is every Markham thread derailed by the same cast of characters?



I love DamianJ, and think he's a funny mofo. I agree that Markham wears out his soap box from time to time, but this was a thread I can admit I was interested in until it was sidelined with all of the usual bullshit.

We get it. Paul can be annoying. He's old and out of touch. But occasionally, he does provide some interesting topics.
Because he's an idiot. If he thinks our paysites are bad for the surfer, what does he think of the ones he markets?

This thread is about customer satisfaction. And it's now clear that no matter how much you advertise, if the product hasn't delivered customer satisfaction. It won't last. I see some still cling to the "If you dump enough surfers onto a site, it will sell." WRONG.

Back to The Hun. In it's prime we all knew the problems with getting accepted and making money from a gallery on The Hun. The gallery had to be good, still not enough. If the site didn't deliver customer satisfaction, often the BW bill would surpass the money made. Alsscan had a banner and galleries listen on The Hun all the time.

Similar with a Tube site. Getting a clip onto one of the big ones, isn't rocket science. Getting enough people to like it enough to go to the sites is, getting some of them to like the tour is harder. Ultimately getting them to stay for longer than a month is often the toughest. Same goes for an advert, getting one on Pornhub is easy. Getting enough surfers to buy off the ad and turn a profit, is bloody hard.

Being old and in touch. I can tell you it always was this way, still is and will always be this way.

Yes the more traffic you get, assuming it's not total crap, the more sales you make. Paying to get that traffic needs conversions/retentions above the cost. Still as I illustrated, getting traffic onto a sample is the easy part, getting people to click the link and buy is the tough part.

BF are you a success because you can get clips on sites or because the surfers like what you shoot? Because getting clips on a clip site isn't brain surgery?
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