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Originally Posted by FShoppe
These links have already been removed. They were removed long before you posted it here. Perhaps you should actually check?
Anyone can post links. It doesn't mean you can actually download anything.
What are we supposed to do about links that have already been dealt with?
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No they weren't, we sampled them, don't assume that we haven't done extensive investigation into your site, because we have. We know much more than we have published.
You can't come here with half baked excuses and expect them to fly, we are not amateurs, we forensically investigate sites and ensure that all of our reports will stand up to the scrutiny of legal teams if necessary.
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Originally Posted by FShoppe
I think some of you people need to be a little more objective and take a look at what is actually going on before making grand claims and accusations.
I have already stipulated to the fact that our system is open to abuse, but as is any hosting providers system. There is NOTHING stopping you from opening an account at any webhost, including HostGator, GoDaddy, BlueHost and uploading copyright content. All the host can do, is remove the content once they find out.
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The difference between your operation and the operations of these major web hosting companies is that they do not incentivise their hosting, so people can't get paid to download from the host by the host. They also do not have a majority of infringing content.
I would like you to show us a list of examples of original files, uploaded by their creator and being monetized. Show us examples of rights holders using your system to earn money for their work. I'm pretty sure you have very few examples compared to the thousands of examples of infringement that we have.
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Originally Posted by FShoppe
In order to make use of CarrotPay, you need to sign up. There has only been 3 ways of withdrawing funds from CarrotPay. Paypal, 99Bill (China Debit Card thing) and Bank Transfer. So we don't keep the particulars of financial information. And if you want to know their CarrotIDs, this is not a secret. Information is available on the download page.
In any case, did you actually check those links? Most were inactive any way. I believe ALL are inactive now.
What else can be done?
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Does Carrot still accept Paypal ?
I'll tell you what more can be done. Immediately institute a policy making it an AUP violation to post any link to any warez or piracy forum, blog or index and accept reports from us and delete all of those links.
Provide us with complete back end access to your systems and allow us to audit your whole operation at random times.
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Originally Posted by FShoppe
If adult content is uploaded, how are we to know if it is authorized or not? There are some things which are obvious. TV Shows, movies and the like. And we take care of those pretty quickly. But some random mp3 file. Are we to assume that all mp3 files are copyright? How about images? We get hundreds of photos uploaded, mostly, I assume as a means of transferring them from A - B.
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If you're accepting Paypal directly or indirectly then adult content is not allowed.
Yes there are things which are obvious, however there are also patterns which are obvious too. Do you run fingerprinting technology on all media uploads ?
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Originally Posted by halfpint
Im sorry to have to say this but I am now very baffled at the way stopfilelockers is working. You guys are trying to stop copyright infringment right ? By taking away mainly paypal which is not actully stopping filelockers from proccesing so its not stopping copyright infringment.
Here you have a guy who is willing to work with you and you snub him all the way ? Its a no wonder that us porn pushers are so hated and laughed at if this is the way you are going to treat filelocker owners who are trying to work with you guys.
I originally thought that this would do some good but its starting to look like more of a vendetta than actully helping to stop copyright infringement. It normally works better if you work with website owners who are trying to work something out to stop the uploading of copyright content. Jeese the mind bogles at some of the replys here
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Halfpint, I know from the sidelines it looks like we are giving FileShoppe a hard time but you don't know what we know about them. We're more than willing to work with the management of file locker services to bring them into compliance, however in this case FileShoppe is being disingenuous and appealing for public sympathy with lies.
FileShoppe was set up with the intention to make money from the booming market for western copyright material in China. By using a micropayment system, Carrot, they thought they could take small micro payments for individual files rather than an outright membership fee for a period of unlimited downloading.
Unfortunately because our operations against FileShoppe are still ongoing I cannot add more, except to say that FileShoppe has already demonstrated considered willingness to knowingly profit from infringing content and this belief extends beyond Stop File Lockers but also other rights holder groups and payment processors.