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Originally Posted by shinmusashi44
And people said the same things about interracial marriages in the 1960s.
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sounds similar, but just isn't. man/woman vs man/man just isn't comparible. It's a dog, cat thing. Yes they are both animals, but that's where the similarity ends. You won't convince American's that loving another guy is the same as loving a girl. Just won't happen, irregardless of a minority opinion. One's a skin color, the other can be optional.
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If it happens in nature then its natural. Also what does reproducing have to do with sex. People have sex for fun,love,entertainment and sometimes to have children. But for the most part its cause it feels good. I know when I'm getting a blowjob, I'm not thinking about having children with the girl. sex and reproducing are 2 different things for humans.
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Cancer happens in nature, so that makes it natural right? Sure, sounds good. Until you get to the point that cancer destroys that which is natural rather than supports it.
Sex is for fun and entertainment. The reason people get aroused by the opposite sex is purely for propagation of the species. That's nature at work right there. In order to make more humans, you get a boner so you want to have sex with the baby carriers. Simple enough. Just because a portion of the species gets boners seeing other boners doesn't mean nature isn't working as intended. It just means that those portions of the species won't be reproducing unless they get the proper 3rd party involved.
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Once again people said the same thing in the 60s about interracial marriages. And yes some people still aren't convinced its right. Lots of people thought it was unnatural and it was outlawed.
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Race vs sexual orientation. Again, sounds the same, but it isn't. See above.
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The government is in the marriage business cause all the benefits you get from being married is from the government. Name me one benefit you get from the church/religion for being married? Also who do you go to for a divorce, that's right the government.
Personally the government and religion should have a hand in marriage. I'm atheist and will never get married in a church on moral grounds, so I will go to the courthouse to do that. If people follow a religion then they can go to their church if they want.
Marriage has always been about gaining wealth and power, religion was only thrown on top so they could control it.
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You get partnership benefits from marriage as far as the state is concerned. That's it. You can and do get divorced religiously, although if you are Catholic I think they frown on it highly. But divorce in the State's eyes is a dissolution of a partnership, just called "divorce".
Government has no business in "marriage", only in contractual agreements. A partnership is a contract with another entity/person. That's exactly what a marriage is. Nothing more. I fully endorse governments allowing domestic partnerships to be equalized with whomever the other person desires. My wife and I in a domestic partnership vs 2 men or 2 women enjoying the same seems perfectly reasonable to me. Convincing churches to bless "marriages" between same sexes??? sure, you will find some that will do it. Asking government to do the same and asking society to equalize those two thoughts (religious marriage vs. state endorsed marriage?) Won't happen. Change the word and it will be more likely to be acceptable. You won't get straight couples en masse to agree that their marriage is the same as a gay marriage. However, ask them to agree to partnership equality, and I bet that has a better chance of occurring.