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Originally Posted by Roald
In house traffic, private programs and a few select affiliates who are able to push joins. That's what's going to happen, fuck wasting time on demanding affiliates not holding up on their part of the deal. Generating sales.
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And Roald's freeones is one of the few sites under alexa #1000 which still got affiliate links in it!
Most sites with the biggest traffic are selling such a traffic exclusively as prepay spots or via brokers based on bids, they do not risk selling their traffic as affiliates for revshare or pps or else. In the past years as a program I contacted 100's of the top alexa #5000 adult sites and 95% of them reply something such as: "We sell spots as prepay only, or you can buy ads via broker X, we are no affiliates.".
It seems to me, that only who gets too few traffic to get any program interested in buying spots in pre-pay, it will put affiliate links. And anyway most of them got one of those traffic brokers in spots so a program can buy via "run whole network" banners order, it includes all those small sites together... but this is not an affiliate really.
The above it confirms that "in house traffic", as well as traffic buy for fixed price (then it is the program issue to convert this), it is where most of the business goes.
In fact as a program, we get 5% of sales from affiliates, and 95% of sales from traffic buys and in house traffic. This is especially brutal ratio since we opened the affiliate program only in 2012 while we was only doing traffic buy and got only few selected deals with pay site member areas for previous years, we did not started with an affiliate program at all.
And, specifically to manwin, we tried a traffic buy of $10,000 from trafficjunky for pornhub, tube8 etc. flash animated banners in mid 2011, and got decent signups, even if we did not buy again as we had not unlimited budget to spend and other sources was better with same price (including skimmed and popunders etc. elsewhere). However if we had bigger budget, we had no choice than buy more from manwin too, after having purchased all the non-manwin decent available traffic elsewhere.
I would like to add, that since we opened the affiliate program, about 70% of the new active "webmasters" are frauds. We pay for free leads which attracted a number of people using different proxies to signup themselves. Plus, the PPS $80 option it is a preferred destination for carders; and, we learned from chat traffic people, so these people esp. filipino contact real westerns asking them to deposit $10 to get back $25 or so, like a money multiplication schema. We catch most of them quick enough, but to babysit those fraudsters it is a big time waste for our organisation. Even more than manage traffic buys as these are limited and we just check stats and decide what links to keep and what to drop, it is not dozens of new fraudsters every week using creative ways to scam us. I understand if we offered rev share, we would get more real affiliates, but possibly they would bang cards with higher amounts simply.
So as a program what I say about the traffic monopolies? Is that the death of the affiliate model? I think the monopolies are just a consolidation answer to some other factors, such as you no more do that much money by run a tgp with ccbill galleries and banners. When something no more produce enough money, people stop doing it, and whatever else does money it is being made. Hosting full videos in tubes it brings more traffic to sell, but this cost a lot in hosting every month so you can't risk to sell traffic as affiliate and miss to pay the next hosting bill, so bigger companies and prepaid spots make this more stable.
Imagine a mid tube must pay $50,000 a month of hosting, theyh try a new sponsor and it does not convert, so the next month you can't pay the hosting bill?
The answer it is bigger company, rely on sell traffic not by % of sales results of such a traffic, and so on. If you ask me will those people who buy traffic get back the investment? I think no, and this is where the tubes do income. In the fail of a % of who buy its traffic. The tubes move the fail of no conversion to a third part who buy to them