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Considering the November results, how much good did it do them? There were lots of pissed off rich dudes who were very unhappy with Rove. They didn't get a return on that $$$. It doesn't always work.
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That's completely beside the point. Where do you think the Tea Party would be without the huge money interests that hijacked that movement...AND gave them such an outsized voice? Nowhere, that's where.
And it wasn't just Rove and his Crossroads PAC, it was also Sheldon Adelson, Foster Friese, and (most insidiously) the Koch-backed Americans for Prosperity (increased prosperity for us ultra-rich americans, that is). and a whole bunch of other ultra-rich Social Darwinists who want to take this country back to the robber baron days.
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So you favor a third party?
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I've voted libertarian for the last 20+ years. I had been rethinking that until Gary Johnson came on the scene for the Libertarians. He's what's called a pragmatic/progressive Libertarian as opposed to the Ivory Tower libs that make no sense to me.
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very mixed feelings, i think parties are inevitable..and i think the dems and reps are corrupt beyond repair.
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starting with real campaign finance reform (to try to turn off the cash spigot from which all political evil flows).
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Publicly funded campaigns FTW!!!
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You say no good legislation has been passed in the last 40 years,
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No. I said that the last time the people stood up and really demanded a change was 40 years ago w/the Viet Nam war.
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but dirty money has always been a problem in American politics, as has propaganda, and election theft - so why stop at 40 years back?
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Believe me, I don't. Since the dawn of the republic, there have always been big money Social Darwinist factions. Their power has ebbed and flowed. T Roosevelt fought hard against them (trust-busting etc) and FD Roosevelt carried that on with the New Deal that created a real middle class.
Here's the problem.
Since FDR, the only president who tried to make real major change (in favor of We The People) ended up with his brains blown out in Dallas.