Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

It's not that I'm not getting shit, my sites do exceptionally well with tubes. My overall CTR for my top 5 sites is 2-3%. My banners, according to Traffic Junky, are in the top 5% of banner ads anywhere. I see these same numbers when I buy banner ads on tubes. So I know my CTR is high across the board.

What I'm trying to achieve is less waste and more maximizing revenue from the traffic I am receiving from tubes.




You make so many great points I won't quote them all. LOL From an affiliate's perspective I am in total agreement and I don't have a clue as to how you would compete with what is, essentially, a whale affiliate like YouPorn et al.

But this leads to some points: You would be 100% correct (instead of 99%) if there were traffic alternatives for the paysite owner. Nowhere else can I get 10k hits in a day on a semi-consistent basis from another affiliate other than a giant tube. If there are other sources that can send big numbers I'd like to find them.

In a conspicuous consumption and disposable society, which we are, you have to have an almost endless supply of goodies to give out. But nothing is forever, nothing is endless. So we simply must find a fair-ish "balance" between ourselves and our traffic partners.

I propose this:

We must work towards achieving a 60/40 split between Program Owners and tubesite owners. I do not believe we will ever achieve 50-50. What I mean is tubes should offer and we should demand that 40% of the ad space on a page that contains one of our videos is an ad for the paysite the video is advertising. NOT OTHER VIDEOS. (This would not include the Homepage, obviously.) So:

1 under-player ad (most tubes have this now)
1 NTV ad 250 x 300 animated
1 1000px wide Footer animated or static

This will leave the Header, 1 NTV animated ad and the entire right margin for the tubes to promote their cams, etc. This setup would increase a paysite's advertising threefold. Not perfect but at least it's giving us a fucking CHANCE. (I would actually like a single 500 x 300 animated ad NTV for the paysite owner, thus "framing" the promo video with ads to the paysite. But I'm realistic. LOL)

Tubesite owners will resist because those NTV ads and Footers bring in big bucks via brokers like Exoclick and through direct ad buys. Brokers will not like this, either. But AGAIN: no content means no content to exploit other revenue streams. It's a symbiotic relationship so now we should just be jostling over percentages.