Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Looks like they are both at fault. You can't even see what's happening outside the camera view when he fires the gun though (this will help him) cause he could've been in danger

Also the kids will get sued and lose cause it was clearly excessive. For example if you push someone they can't exactly beat you down. Same with if someone beats you up, you can't exactly kill them (after the fact).

Even extreme cases worse then this eg. 4 guys vs 1 guy - the excessive guy lost in civil case like Bernhard Goetz.

You can see for sure the kids were excessive, but you don't know for sure 100% the old guy was excessive