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Originally Posted by Bladewire
This is true! 
Evidently some men are turned on at the pain a woman goes through when a baby is crowning her vagina. Who the fuck on earth would have ever thought that? Never entered my mind as stimulating or even in the realm of sex 
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Yeah, there's definitely some weird fucking shit out there.


Also, in response to this here what you wrote...
"Typically when art disturbs somebody they'll reject it as not being a valid artistic expression ( to amateur, not the right lighting, context, etc.)"
One thing I think that many people in adult make the mistake of doing is confusing the art 'niche' with art.
To demonstrate, let's take a look at X-Art.
Login as an affiliate (just PM'd you my code) and check the promo galleries. Scroll all the way down to the bottom and then start slowly scrolling your way back up.
To me, it starts off as art (in the vain of like a Demarchelier or Testino) but then, to me, stops being art and becomes porn. I bet if guys here like Mutt or Pseudononomonous were to do the same, we would all probably estimate that change occurred at the same point in time. Obviously that point being right around the time when they started to focus more on hardcore content. But here's the funny thing. I think the change had less to do with the 'hardcore-ness' of the content and more to with a shift of their mindset while creating the content. After having some fun and experimenting with a few hardcore scenes here and there, mixed in with high-fashion photography type stuff, they saw an opportunity to bridge what had previously been a gap in the bridge between 'art nudes' and 'porn'. They saw a formula., then they took that formula, went 'all-in', and pretty much stopped producing the artistic caliber type content.
Whatever, though. There's nothing wrong with the occasional cash grab. it's just that in this particular instance, their passion for creating for the sake of creating and for the love of the creative process in and of itself was replaced with their passion for profit and it is precisely then when the art stopped and something else began. When the passion died. Art is passion.
Then sure enough some of the opportunistic formulaic types of the industry saw their success and tried to duplicate the x-art formula without realizing that the formula, while void of passion in it's current state, was at least birthed by passion. That's when all the generic type 'art' shit started saturating the market. It's like they were like, "OK, so this how we'll do it. We'll shoot a lot of scenes where the girls get fucked on either a Barcelona Couch or an MR Chaise Lounge, we'll put some Rothko canvas prints up on the wall, the girls wear what we perceive to be a classier type of fuck-wear, we'll shoot it all in 4G, each scene will have a Buddha Bar/Hotel Costes type ambience, and then we'll call it art, we'll tell the target it's art, we'll sell it as art, and then we'll make some mad fucking bank!"
Hahaha! Rarely is art so formulaic. Yeah, it can be at times, just not this time
Now, as far as the 'hardcore' part of the equation, again it all ties in to whether or not the creator has a passion for the creative process. Take John Stagliano for instance. He has a passion for ass. He is Buttman. And when it comes to the artistry of and appreciation of ass, he is the grand-daddy of ass lovers across the world. While I'm sure he's made a shitload of money over the years, I also get the impression that he would probably be creating the same type of stuff he's creating now even if only making a small fraction the money simply for the love of the process. While most in the art world (of which i'm very familiar) as well as most in the porn world what probably disagree, I consider him to be an artist simply because he does what artists do and he does it better than anyone else. He breaks molds. And when he feels like doing stuff which fits more into the category of what people consider to be 'artsy', he fucking kills it like no other. Fashionistas was truly a masterpiece.
That's all for now.