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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard
Do you have any idea of how much oil, including synthetic oil (which is made from coal) is needed to create those solar panels?
a. They have to mine the rare earth minerals from the Congo.
b. Ship those minerals to China to be processed.
c. Manufacture those solar panels where tons of petrochemicals are used.
d. Ship those solar panels across the ocean to the western markets.
Every single stage of the creation of those solar panels requires OIL.
Oil is needed to mine the minerals.... Oil is needed for the transportation... Oil is needed build the junk.. etc etc etc
By comparison my clothes line is green solar technology... My 50+ year old wringer washing machine was built locally and required zero rare earth minerals and it uses less water. It's summer and I garden a hell of a lot but if you buy something like a sandwich form the grocery store that sandwich is iliterally grown in oil because of the petrochemical produced fertilizers.
There are giant landfills overflowing with Green technology gadgets leaching tons of chemical toxins in the ground at a rate that NOT even in my long lost 1950s Ford could have matched. In fact the entire drag racing gang of chums I hung around in the 50s couldn't match what one city block of smart phones can produce.
So don't tell me about "Green Technology" because my mother's washing board was far more Green Technology than the stupid Internet ready washing machine that Samsung sells today. As far as I'm concerned if the people bitching for Green Technology were serious they would tell Elon Musk to shove his electric cars up his ass and then go out and buy a horse.
People today are just plain stupid suckers.
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Oil is not coal for starters.. Also much of what you said, is only because most of the machines are still burning fossil fuels. You can't say we can't progress toward clean energy because we have to use dirty energy to get there. That's just non sense..
Yes, right now it requires dirty energy to build solar, wind or whatever, but as time goes on those processes get cleaner.. The important thing is not only is green energy cleaner long term is renewable..
When you build a solar farm, it produces energy day in and day out with out the need to replace the solar panels day in and out. Meaning that dirty foot print gets extremely small over time due to it's ability to create energy countless times for that one bit of dirty energy used to start it.
Meanwhile a coal plant, requires new coal day in and out to keep operating. There is never a time when it will be self fed or require no new coal. It always needs more coal or it doesn't create energy.. It will always pollute..
Meanwhile a solar panel has a life expectancy of 10 years on average. That's a lot of clean power created for that small bit of dirty power used to create it..
It's not even remotely the same..