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He provides nothing but chatter, like you. He pulls numbers out of the air and does nothing to back them up. How does he know what was sold back in the day? All I ask for are links to the free sites carrying mainstream dating ads. So we can see if it's as big as he claims.
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paul if you do not have eyes and contacts to the those that are running the big numbers today, it only shows me that you do not know what you are talking about.
I am not here to prove you anything and I donīt want to be your teacher.
I don't have to prove anything to those who are important to me, they already know and to those who missed the chance I don't want to prove anything to them because they don't belong in this biz and should look for another job or, like you, just retire and deny further that their know how and their farsightedness were just not enough.
I don't mourn anyone for wanting to limit the size of our market to their radius of thought.
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What we do know about adverts on free porn sites is the horrible CTR and conversion rates. If ads on porn sites were so good he could provide us proof.
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if this is correct you just have to wait til we all die hungry - no product will survive when it has no value. So be patient MAYBE you can prove us one day that you was right :-)
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How does he know "a few 100 k amateurs producing porn videos every fucking day" if that were true there would be far more sites featuring the content. Where are they?
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have you ever heard from amateursites like mydirtyhobby, amateurcommunity, model centro ?
and this are just 3 of the hundreds around and we are already over the number of 100 k amateurs.
seems you have been sleeping in the last 15 years.
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If the Tube giants don't carry mainstream ads and dating is now mainstream, then can we assume small tubes do?
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so they donīt carry mainstream AND they can not convert porn. from WHAT do they live then? why do they make 10th of millions selling advertising every month since YEARS !
why did none of their advertisers realize that they are losing millions every month? for the past 10-12 years?
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Thommy back it up with links, send me a PM if you're scared to post them here.
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as I said - I do not have to back up the fact that the world is round.
I have better things to do and it does not help the industry a shit when I prove how wrong you are.
I feel like you think I enjoy telling you how wrong you are all the time. But also with that you are wrong ! It is no fun for me but I am just a little ashamed for you. You are an old fart and I am an old fart. You may have started 1 or 2 years before me but you have thrown the towel many years before me. I have been active in this business for 22 years and therefore know all the ups and downs and all the changes this has gone through so far.
In contrast to you, I know the biz from every point of view and not only from the narrow view of a producer. I have been running free websites from day one (hardly anyone did anything else or started anything else in the 90s). I still have a large network of free sites that attract more than a million users a day.
I HAVE run Paysites for many years. I HAVE produced it myself. I have built my own affiliate program and an OWN payment system with everything that goes with it.
so I know it all better than you do. But my core competence is marketing and therefore I have focused on traffic and its marketing in my last years. That's what I do best and have seen not only my own growth but also that of my customers and partners.
I'm also not one to just jump on something new because it's there. I believe in tried and tested strategies and rules that have been in place for thousands of years and only accept new things if they don't contradict these rules.
I am ashamed of you because we are both dinosaurs. The only difference is that you represent the dinosaurs badly because you're clueless and negative.
But what the young people of the industry need are thought leaders and people who make something out of given situations, see it as an opportunity and not as an insurmountable obstacle.
So you shouldn't try to spoil the day for others with your unworldly negative theories, because if someone is to blame for your fate then it's not the fact that the world is spinning - it's the fact that you've never been willing to spin.