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Originally Posted by Rochard
I think you are right. And yes, democracy can be messy.
I think a lot of people have completely forgotten or don't know about Watergate. Not only did a President resign in disgrace, it took out dozens and dozens of people. Watergate went on after Nixon resigned. Sixty-nine people were indicted; Forty-nine of them were found guilty of crimes.
This is going to be much, much worse.
With Nixon, he resigned because five men broke into a political office, they tried to cover it up, and they discovered they were using campaign money for all kinds of illegal things. While breaking into the office of your opponents is one thing, and bad enough, but this is on a whole different scale.... We are talking about a political candidate working directly with a foreign government to steal an election. This is treason. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. We already know there was obstruction of justice, lying under oath every time we turn around.... But this might go much, much deeper. All of Trump's money for the past two decades has been coming from Russia. All of the banks he is using is involved in laundering for Russians. The majority of the property Trump sells is bought by Russians - who never even visit the properties they buy.
Keep in mind Watergate took over six years. We are only two years in with Mueller.
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I really don't see this taking all that long to play out now. I'll explain.
1st thing is, over the next 6 weeks, the amount of data in the public eye will just be overwhelming.
Trump already has a issue with time to deal with it all.
He can't get anyone to work on his legal staff as it is. Nobody wants 'tainted' or worse.
By the time new house members are seated, this will consume all of his time as POTUS.
Just like nixon, I think some deal may be worked out in leniency if he just resigns.
But this will not relieve him of charges in state courts, that will proceed if he resigns.
Not sure how that will play out.
Nobody wants to drag the country through this kind of hell. But I am sure there will be those that will want the proper punishment for treason.
But it really does not serve the country's interest.
Trumps organization should be allowed to unfold as the debit as it is. Some banks are not going to like it.
I think Mueller has his hands busy trying to grab those involved in the money laundering that provides trump with the cash flow he has to have to maintain those loans and get more of them. It's kinda like a pyramid scheme.
So that is the only thing I see slowing it down at this point. Perhaps he will throw that to the states AG's where it does not concern him as much.
But that is the tight rope Mueller is really walking, so they have the capability to get as many participants as they can. I don't see trump as the major issue anymore. It's the rest of the participants. Many Russian's and Saudi's and ???.
But I think you can be assured that this will continue till jan 20 so Mueller can hand over particular documentation to the house judicial committee. Since the AG will just burn it when he is done. If he is able to 'show trumps crimes', it will come last. Once he has done that, there is no going after those other folks.
I am a bit tossed on punishment. A large part of me wants hard jail time for all involved.
The other part of me wants peace a civility in government and society and to finally move forward. All of this BS has set the progress of the whole world back.
But I can't see this taking more than a year no matter how you split those hairs.
Unless we are stuck in a constitutional crisis whereas trump tries to pardon himself and/or AG fires or limits Mueller. You can see where this sorta stuff will delay things if it gets that far. Who knows what we have not imagined could happen in the courts.
If you read trumps book, you would know he defends by throwing out all kinds of offensive BS 100x more and keeps everything tied up and expensive to prosecute. Something he learned from his fathers attorney who went on to work for him. It has worked very well for him.
I really try not to get to set on my opinions because it could be much worse than I have imagined. We shall have some clues next week.
But yes, this is much worse than Nixon as it stands now. I'm not sure the American public can digest it all.