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Originally Posted by VRPdommy
I really don't see this taking all that long to play out now. I'll explain.
1st thing is, over the next 6 weeks, the amount of data in the public eye will just be overwhelming.
Trump already has a issue with time to deal with it all.
He can't get anyone to work on his legal staff as it is. Nobody wants 'tainted' or worse.
By the time new house members are seated, this will consume all of his time as POTUS.
Just like nixon, I think some deal may be worked out in leniency if he just resigns.
But this will not relieve him of charges in state courts, that will proceed if he resigns.
Not sure how that will play out.
Nobody wants to drag the country through this kind of hell. But I am sure there will be those that will want the proper punishment for treason.
But it really does not serve the country's interest.
Trumps organization should be allowed to unfold as the debit as it is. Some banks are not going to like it.
I think Mueller has his hands busy trying to grab those involved in the money laundering that provides trump with the cash flow he has to have to maintain those loans and get more of them. It's kinda like a pyramid scheme.
So that is the only thing I see slowing it down at this point. Perhaps he will throw that to the states AG's where it does not concern him as much.
But that is the tight rope Mueller is really walking, so they have the capability to get as many participants as they can. I don't see trump as the major issue anymore. It's the rest of the participants. Many Russian's and Saudi's and ???.
But I think you can be assured that this will continue till jan 20 so Mueller can hand over particular documentation to the house judicial committee. Since the AG will just burn it when he is done. If he is able to 'show trumps crimes', it will come last. Once he has done that, there is no going after those other folks.
I am a bit tossed on punishment. A large part of me wants hard jail time for all involved.
The other part of me wants peace a civility in government and society and to finally move forward. All of this BS has set the progress of the whole world back.
But I can't see this taking more than a year no matter how you split those hairs.
Unless we are stuck in a constitutional crisis whereas trump tries to pardon himself and/or AG fires or limits Mueller. You can see where this sorta stuff will delay things if it gets that far. Who knows what we have not imagined could happen in the courts.
If you read trumps book, you would know he defends by throwing out all kinds of offensive BS 100x more and keeps everything tied up and expensive to prosecute. Something he learned from his fathers attorney who went on to work for him. It has worked very well for him.
I really try not to get to set on my opinions because it could be much worse than I have imagined. We shall have some clues next week.
But yes, this is much worse than Nixon as it stands now. I'm not sure the American public can digest it all.
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I have never read Trump's book and never will.
I agree with you that the Democrats will start bitch smacking Trump in January. During the Obama administration the Republicans went on the war path investigating Hillary Clinton for no reason other than to make her look bad. Now we have a President in office who is more or less being accused of working with the Russians to rig an election and a single investigation is turning up indictment after indictment, and the Republicans are silent. This tells us all we need to know - The Republican party starts investigations without proper reasons for political purposes, but when we have legitimate reasons to believe the President has committed serious crimes that might include treason and might lead to impeachment, they have zero interest in investigations. The party that talks about security and promises to protect us isn't protecting us at all.
We need to hold our government officials accountable. All of them.
What happened when Ford pardoned Nixon was horrible. No one should be above the law, including the President.
If the investigation ends and recommends charges for President Trump, we should move to impeach him, remove him office, and have a trial. We need to send a very strong message that says we will hold our government officials accountable. And we will in fact throw a former President in prison if required.
We also need to have trials for anyone else who has broken laws. This obviously includes the Trump children.
Then.... We need to investigate the cover up and see if anyone in Congress was involved in this. I want to know if the Republicans in Congress were involved in a cover up in any way. They just shot down a bill that would have protected Mueller; I want to know if the Trump White House worked with Republicans to shoot it down. If the Trump worked with the Republicans in Congress to stop a law that would have protected the man investigating Trump, that might have been a crime. At the very least the public should know about this.
I agree with you that all of this will spill out in the public domain, and it's going to get nasty. The deeper this gets the more Trump's base is leaving him. The hardcore supporters will go crazy over this.
This is going to be interesting to watch.