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Originally Posted by JesseQuinn
cb IS popular because it is a very performer-friendly site, particularly when it comes to allowing links to OF, wishlists, insta, twitter, personal websites, etc, but I disagree with Lili and you that they're vigilant about removing the 'clear cookies/use new browser to make a new account' ish. I've read enough of the cb thread to know that this problem is pervasive and it does create tension between performers and affs. affs shouldn't have to monitor the site for what should be a blatant violation of both ethics and what I assume are site rules
Lili and I, we've both been on both sides so we know the drill, for a lot of performers they prob just see other top performers doing it and figure it must be ok (the 'ignorant' type Lili described). they are relatively new to the biz (cb tends to skew towards more youthful performers it seems) and don't understand the importance of affs who drive traffic to their rooms
if cb were to enforce one rule: do not use your profile to encourage existing clients to create new accounts then most of the animosity between affs and talent would disappear
affs and talent should work together, mos def each make more money that way. but cb isn't helping solve that one issue. that's on them. my rec on that would be to hook up with talent on twitter, with performers who don't pull that ish
I don't have a solution, I just think that ultimately it's up to cb to either solve the issue...or not
@Lili, I have a question for you if you don't mind that's not specifically cb-related:
I've helped several friends who have had incomes drastically impacted by covid (tourist town), both male and female set up cam profiles. all of them Black cuz I live in a Black country
none seem to really bank on cb. decent money, but not anything to write home about. in your experience (I haven't worked big box in over 14 years), what would you recommend as the best sites for Black performers? sm seems to be the best so far along with ttm, with cb good but not great for them. wondering if there are any I've missed in my recs on where to sign up?
not looking to make money off helping them sign up, just want to steer them to sites with the best chance of success
do you have any recs on that tip?
hope nothing I wrote above comes across as trashing cb, which is a great site, and that everyone is having a wicked night =)
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To answer your question, I don't believe there is a site that is better for black performers specifically... It used to be really easy for good black performers to get notoriety because there were so few black girls on camsites, but this has changed somewhat since Colombia learned about camsites and opened 293823948 studios, so now it's somewhat harder. Still, all the same rules apply to black performers and if they are hardworking and committed they are as successful as white girls. The biggest battle they face is against their own feelings of insecurity, for some reason many black models I have talked to really believe they don't have the same opportunities as white or latinas, and they discourage themselves from working because they don't believe they can be successful. Tell your black performer friends to check out the most salient black performers from MFC and CB to get a glimpse of what can be accomplished.
Now, about the rest of your post... I want to clarify a few things..
1) CB is not perceived as a model friendly site by all models, in fact, most models consider them one of the worst sites to work on in terms of relationship with support. Models don't feel CB appreciates them for multiple reasons.. for example, they are ban-happy and will ban first, ask later sometimes with ludicrous reasons like "you look underage" even though they have your ID and you have been working their site for 6 years. Some models rely on CB income for their living and getting CB to respond and unban them when they get a BS ban like this can take weeks... then they struggle to pay rent (b) when there's issues with studios, or users, or affiliates they tend to side with the other parties, I know the perception from the POV of affiliates is different and perhaps the feeling here is they side with models because they allow them to use the affiliate program, but the perception among models is they always get the shit end of the stick.. and they are sometimes right... (c) They are probably the only camsite that charges models for chargebacks. Also: they used to be stupid strict up until like 2015 about linking anywhere. Model's couldn't even link their twitter accounts in their bios. It's only after winning and becoming the most popular site they have gotten more lax about it and allowed models to link to their social media and other sites. My opinion on the subject of the treatment CB gives models or affiliates for that matter, is different though, I do not envy Chaturbate support one bit, it must be really had to be at the epicenter of the tensions between 4 different groups of interest and not embarass yourself... they make a lot of mistakes but they try not to betray any group, maybe they lack a bit of a spine, but it's a very difficult balancing act.
2) You are right about them not being vigilant, I think I used the wrong word. What I meant is when people report a model for "clear cookies" in their bios they do issue warnings to the models and they do so manually. I wonder if they could put up a system to filter texts in bios.. like the do with raffle keywords, maybe they already do, it has been a long time since I saw anything like that in a bio. Also, the reason you friend got banned after you showed up on his stream is because for a while they had facial recognition software and would ban when a second face appeared on stream if there wasn't any other verified performers in the account. I once got banned for showing a video with a face on my phone screen. I think they might have done away with it since, but again, I dont know.