Originally Posted by DWB

I've met Andrew and Tristan both a few times. We have a mutual friend in the cam business.

In person, both of them have been very kind to me and direct. We talk about the industry, cam studios, traveling, etc. There were a few comments about women that took me off guard, but nothing compared to what I've seen in his videos. Nothing even remotely close to that. Also nothing that made me believe they forced women to work. More on this later.

Making all of those videos was the dumbest possible thing they could have ever done, especially Andrew. Not the motivational ones, those are fine, but the ones against women or bragging about being with underage girls, taking their virginity, etc. Holy fuck that was vile and stupid. I honestly can't believe he would say such terrible things on video and none of it was necessary. They could have stuck with basic motivation videos and been fine.

Do I believe they are guilty?
Yes, I do. Here's why. One thing I noticed about them in person, as nice as they were to me, is that are operating from a different place mentally. They look at things through a different lens. The impression I got from them is that the law doesn't apply to them. Some things they said made it sound like they were above law enforcement in every country simply because they are rich and "know people." They lean HEAVILY on their network. That being said, I believe they didn't necessarily know they were breaking some laws, but absolutely broke them. There are countless people in prison for breaking laws they didn't know they were breaking.

Human trafficking? Yea. Guilty. Andrew's method if making a woman fall in love with him, move to Romania, and then get her to work on cam, is by definition the lover boy method of human trafficking. Andrew himself is on video bragging about how he did exactly this more than once. Did he know it was illegal? Probably not. But he still did it.

Trafficking doesn't have to mean you kidnapped someone. The method he has admitted to and the police mentioned is the lover boy method. He's guilty as fuck on this, even if he didn't realize it at the time.

What about money laundering? If he gets nailed on anything, it will be this. They did talk about how they handled money, crypto, etc. They are big on crypto. Well, at least they were when we met. Then add casinos to the mix. He bragged to us how he'll never pay taxes to the West and it was impossible to catch him. I remember this vividly because I knew he was wrong. I didn't debate it with him, I just let him talk. He was interesting to listen to so that's what I did most of the time.

Organized crime? Given his self admitted connections to the Romania mafia and how they operated schemes out of his War Room, I'm going to go with guilty here as well. Not in an Al Capone kind of way, but in a sloppy guy with bad advice who didn't understand what he was setting up kind of way.

Rape? Can't say. That's difficult to prove either way. I do know he doesn't need to do that to get a woman, but it's about power and control for him, so who knows. My guess is this won't stick.

This hasn't been said yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they toss tax evasion into the mix. That might happen there, or in one of his home countries. Probably a slam dunk that will go hand and hand with money laundering.

The women who are claiming they are not victims are a red herring. There are still multiple women who claim otherwise but all everyone is talking about are the couple who say they are not. It also moves the conversation away from money laundering and organized crime. The Tate's have said many times on camera that they are master manipulators. Andrew loves to play chess and looks at life like a giant chess board. Controlling the narrative is what he likes to do, and what he's doing now. His War Room bros are involved in a lot of this (social media narrative control) from what I understand.

These are very serious crimes and if found guilty, they are going to prison for quite some time. They could also plead guilty instead of going to trial for a reduced prison vacation. I'd bet this is what they will do because there won't be any shortage of evidence once they go to trial. A few years is better than 20. The prosecutor will want a conviction either way and will probably get one.

I think they are two guys who came from nothing and got caught up in their own fame and circumstance and they let it erode their morals and judgement. Money and fame can do that to people. As some of you know, money will only amplify what and who you really are.

Justice will run its course here. The entire world is watching this case so it's unlikely Romania will pull any nonsense. From everything I've looked at, they are following the letter of their law so far, even with the detainment. What's happening seems unjust to many people, but that's how they do things there. They can be held for 180 days maximum while the investigation finishes. Then they will file official charges and set a trial date. The judges are 75% women, which isn't good for them. There is no jury. The prosecutor only has to provide enough evidence to convince the judges of their guilt. Andrew chose Romania for it's high level of corruption but never thought in a million years it would backfire on him. This goes back to what I said about believing they were above the law. They really believe that shit.

They have now hired a hot shot US attorney. Surprisingly, a female. From what I understand, she can not speak in court in Romania and can only meet with them, not practice. This makes me wonder if the USA is cooking up charges as well. Very possible all things considered. There are some laws that will follow US citizens beyond the borders of the USA.

Those of you who know me know that I've been around a bit, made porn in many sketchy countries, been arrested, bribed foreign police, and so on. I've been there and done that abroad when it comes to the adult business. I have a pretty good insight on how some of this works. One thing I've learned through all of that, is that people who get this much stacked against them are in for a VERY rough ride. The time to bribe their way out of this is long gone. I also know that none of these nations are going to take any pity whatsoever on someone found guilty of human trafficking. Neither will his cell mates in prison. There are some things you just don't do, and that's one of them, even if it's by mistake.


TL;DR - I've met them. Know a little about their operations. I believe they are in for a world of hurt, even if some of their crimes were committed accidentally.


Cheers!