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Originally Posted by Killswitch
Just so you know, Automattic invested in WPEngine's Series A round. They blessed all of this over a decade ago.
The problem now is that WPE is doing better than Wordpress.com and Mullenweg wants to extort them and is willing to burn the whole community down for 8% of WPE's revenue (which is literally in the millions) ANNUALLY.
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I don't understand the logic that if you "bless" something over 10 years ago, that it somehow makes it okay to continue to support it a decade or so later. I don't subscribe to that notion.
If Matt's right, and I'm sure his board of directors, and his lawyers, have told him he is, then:
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In the trademark license agreement, they had the option to put hours towards wordpress.org or pay money to Automatic, in any combination they choose.
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Automattic contributes back thousands of hours a week to WordPress. If WP Engine wanted to contribute they could be granted a license for that, they were given that option.
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WP Engine is cooked.
WPE should have forked WordPress. They have the money. They have the manpower. Matt and Mike did it with b2/cafe. They already have MU's, why not go one step further? That way they can make all the fundamental changes they have been making, and they are also fully responsible for the fallout of that, and there are no trademark issues because of the GPL.
But they don't. They rely entirely on WordPress SVN. Why is that?
I guess the lawyers will figure it out; if they've violated trademarks, or the GPL. I don't agree with the way Matt describes the trademark issue, but the thing about trademarks is that it's a legal issue. It's not a moral one. WP Engine has violated the license agreement, according to Matt, so this is the fallout.
It's dramatic that they shut off access to WordPress.org, but did WPE really think they would get away with spitting on the bear and not getting swiped?
The more you look into WPE, the worse it gets. I'm not sure how developers can support them. They are contrary to the OSS community. They change the implementation, get you hooked into their platform, and then they tell everyone that's the true WordPress experience. They're much worse than WordPress.com, which I take issue with, but they are so much more expensive and predatory.
And you're right, WPE's success isn't new. But I don't buy that Matt's reaction is entirely about money like WPE is saying it is. He talks specifically about their contributions to OSS, which are little. Money is definitely a HUGE part of this, don't get me wrong. But... WPE gets everything that WordPress.org gives for free, doesn't contribute to the community AT ALL, and then straight up charges others for it as a SaaS. At least WordPress.com developers contribute to OSS. I don't believe WPE's story, despite my reservations about Matt.
Let's just take a quick detour on WPE's pricing and plans:
https://wpengine.com/plans/
Look at these prices! How can anyone justify it? $20/mo for a SINGLE WP SITE, with 10GB of storage, without theme or plugin management, which is FREE with WordPress and FREE with most hosts who use things like Softaculous? Oh boy!
* WooCommerce, which is also free, costs $4/mo.
* Auto plugin updates, as I mentioned before, also free, is $3/mo as an add-on?
* WordFence, which is free, is $19/mo?
* Page Speed Boost, which is also free with WP Super Cache or WP Fastest Cache, is $17?
* Multisite, another free feature of WordPress, costs extra after signup.
* The isolated tier starts at $400/mo. For WordPress.
* They use MU's and require at least 1-2 hours of migration by a qualified developer to escape WP Engine's tendrils if you want to migrate.
WordPress.com, at its highest tier outside of "Enterprise" is $45. In Adult, we have Mojo and Vacares and they do much better without nickel and diming you. I'm not sure the exact prices, but I think Vacares is on par or cheaper than WordPress.com.
In my mainstream business, I affiliate for a host in my area that offers all of this, for free, for $13/mo with cPanel and Softaculous. That's <25%.
So to the larger point, does this really affect the community that badly? I really don't think it does. Other hosts are not doing what WPE is doing, which is actively developing outside of OSS. WordPress.com, and Automattic, support WordPress.org not only financially, but they also do so from a contributory standpoint with OSS. The core community is OSS. If all of these folks are beholden to the rules of OSS, WPE should be too, or pay some kind of price.