I worked the defense industry for more than a decade. I worked for the Crown family...who is General Dynamics... Western scientific data research... special programs-tomahawk, ACM, GLCMM , seawolf subs and more.
I've seen and done things I'm ashamed of, other things I've never been more proud, but I have met people that scare the bejezuss out of you there. When I talked to a retireing engineer once in 1990 I asked point blank about the space plane program and he just looked at me and his eyes got all big and said that i was best not to ask questions like that in public, he never spoke to me again and I never heard of him again - ever.
S.D. has great underground caves, or building structures that were at one time full and occupied. The russians flew in on their Antov124s all the time and spent hours at airforce plant 19. We had buildings within buidlings guarded by armed guards and you could hear and feel things going on underneath the main floor level. (think sublevels like the alien 2 movie) Huge exhaust vents coming up out of the ground from somewhere deep. If you were to stop and have lunch out on the tarmac, you could feel the ground bounce up and down as liftrucks moved back and forth - the entire site was a slab of cement suspended over something else. I was not allowed under ground but had free reign above ground.
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I originally respond to this thread with a simple statement. -that back in 94 my life was very bad (hasnt really recovered yet) (GD was closing it's doors in 95)
As it is I decided to do some soul searching and shucked everything and drove to death valley. I drove up above the "kitchen" about 10 miles maybe 20 and drove off the road and hid my car. I then proceeded to walk west into the valley for abotut 4 hrs till I couldnt see or hear nothing. It was here on a salt flat area that I saw my first "ufo thing" and I DID have my old film camera and I got one picture of it. one. I wil post it here in a day or so (I have to get my scanner back up working) and I will post it in this thread.
I first saw it bouncing along the ground much like a big squishy balloon, but it didn't malform when I touched(?) the ground, it was a long ways off and I couldnt see details, only behaviors.
after I took the picture. I decided I had nothing better to do so I walked its way to see if I could see better. I was on completely flat ground with no brush and the earth was rock hard and brittle.
I maybe walked 10 minutes toward it when all of a sudden it bounced straight up and it just disappeared.
thats it.... nothing more. gone.
I went farther but couldnt find a trace.
later... I gotta go.
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Oh BTW when Convair shut down and the tomahawk criuse missle center next door closed its doors.. there was a vast underground assembly meeting conference center there , yet somehow the city put a parkig lot over it, I dont remember them tearing all that stuff up and filling the monsterous hole that would have been left (it was a big place. you could have flown a smal plane in it if you had too.) So I assume that its still there intact. But who knows.
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