TSA Told To Tell Children That Groping Them Is A Game... Horrifying Sex Abuse Experts

[CYF]

Apparently TSA agents are being told that one way to handle the new groping pat downs for children is to try to make it out to be some sort of "game." This is apparently horrifying some sex abuse experts who point out that a common tactic in abuse cases is to tell the kids that they're just "playing a game." The TSA has said that the newer patdowns will not apply to children under 12, but the rules have been somewhat unclear -- leading to the statement from a TSA director, James Marchand:

"You try to make it as best you can for that child to come through. If you can come up with some kind of a game to play with a child, it makes it a lot easier."

He also said that the idea of making it a game would become a part of the TSA's training. Ken Wooden, who runs an organization to try to stop sex abuse of children was not pleased:

"How can experts working at the TSA be so incredibly misinformed and misguided to suggest that full body pat downs for children be portrayed as a game?" Wooden asked in an email. "To do so is completely contrary to what we in the sexual abuse prevention field have been trying to accomplish for the past thirty years."

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...-experts.shtml

[iggysick]

The world is full of idiots.

[scubadiver626]

This stuff is so retardedly over analyzed.

Americans need to lighten the fuck up.

[Sharona]

i wonder if there are any normal people left.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by scubadiver626

This stuff is so retardedly over analyzed.

Americans need to lighten the fuck up.

You're right. But we will lighten up after we have our freedoms back

And I think a good start would to bring our troops, from all the bases around the world, home. Cut all foreign aid and stop bailing out foriegn banks.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by CYF

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...-experts.shtml

thank you islam... I've chosen not to molest my kids so thanks for arraigning it for me

[thickcash_amo]

I thought they didn't do the pat downs on children?

[CaptainHowdy]

Hang 'em high I guess...

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by scubadiver626

This stuff is so retardedly over analyzed.

Americans need to lighten the fuck up.

usually i would agree but in this case, its different.

[TheSenator]

How about just profiling people?

[adult-help]

Originally Posted by iggysick

The world is full of idiots.

you mean USA ?

[Brujah]

Now, pedos will start dressing like TSA agents.

[MaDalton]

[Coup]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

[CYF]

Originally Posted by scubadiver626

This stuff is so retardedly over analyzed.

Americans need to lighten the fuck up.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Cut all foreign aid and stop bailing out foriegn banks.

I heard today that for the amount of money that's now been handed over to banks (both foreign and domestic), EVERY man, women, and child, in America could have been given a sack of cash totaling..

$350,000.00



My guess is that it's even more.

Merry Christmas bankers!

[czarina]

Originally Posted by iggysick

The world is full of idiots.

and they all work in government positions

[Dcat]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgrdcm/3304306634/

[tiger]

Originally Posted by scubadiver626

This stuff is so retardedly over analyzed.

Americans need to lighten the fuck up.

You must not be a parent.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

isn't that the same line child molester's use?

[kane]

While I agree with everyone that this line of thinking with kids in mind is amazingly stupid and I think that TSA is going overboard with the scanning/groping, is this really a violation of freedoms?

Let me play devil's advocate for a second. Flying is not a right. Flying is a privilege and it is something you choose to do voluntarily. By now we all know about the frisking so you now know that if you choose to fly, you are also agreeing to get the pat down on the scanner. Your rights are not being taken away from you. You are volunteering to give them up.

[mikesinner]

Simple fix, go through the fucking scanner.

[cjhmdm]

Originally Posted by kane

While I agree with everyone that this line of thinking with kids in mind is amazingly stupid and I think that TSA is going overboard with the scanning/groping, is this really a violation of freedoms?

Let me play devil's advocate for a second. Flying is not a right. Flying is a privilege and it is something you choose to do voluntarily. By now we all know about the frisking so you now know that if you choose to fly, you are also agreeing to get the pat down on the scanner. Your rights are not being taken away from you. You are volunteering to give them up.

You know.. sometimes I'm ashamed to be an American... how big an idiot can you really be?

Then again, I won't even bother because trying to explain that the "terrorists" have already won by instilling widespread fear into all of you dumb ass people would be a waste of time...

[kane]

Originally Posted by cjhmdm

You know.. sometimes I'm ashamed to be an American... how big an idiot can you really be?

Then again, I won't even bother because trying to explain that the "terrorists" have already won by instilling widespread fear into all of you dumb ass people would be a waste of time...

As I said, I don't agree with the pat downs nor the scans, I was just playing devil's advocate.

There are a lot of people saying that their rights are being violated here, I just wonder how. They have chosen to put themselves into that position. A violation of rights would be if they came into your house and searched you or if you were walking down the street, or even driving down the street and they stopped you at random and searched you. Here you are getting on a plane and they have decided that in order to keep the plane safe this is the security measure they are going with. If you choose to partake, you are consenting to the search. If people really are as offended as they say they are (and they aren't) they would be all over their congressional rep and senator to do something about this.

Back when I was a kid and went to a lot concerts at this one theater they would pat down everyone that came through the door. They did it because they didn't want you sneaking weapons, booze or any kind of recording devices in. Several years prior to this a guy had a knife on him at a show, got in a fight with another concert goer and stabbed him. The victim died and his parents sued the venue for not providing adequate security and won a very big settlement. So this new security was a result of that. Everyone knew it. They even told you to get their early because they opened the gates a few hours before the show to make sure they got everyone in. Were they violating my rights then? Was the country about to collapse in on itself in a wave of communism because of this?

This concert venue, just like the airlines are now, did this not because the terrorists have won, but because of money. It is the same reason we have seat belt laws. If a terrorist gets on a plane and causes trouble it opens the already struggling airline up to a potentially huge lawsuit. This is their way of trying to prevent that from happening.

[cjhmdm]

Originally Posted by kane

As I said, I don't agree with the pat downs nor the scans, I was just playing devil's advocate.

There are a lot of people saying that their rights are being violated here, I just wonder how. They have chosen to put themselves into that position. A violation of rights would be if they came into your house and searched you or if you were walking down the street, or even driving down the street and they stopped you at random and searched you. Here you are getting on a plane and they have decided that in order to keep the plane safe this is the security measure they are going with. If you choose to partake, you are consenting to the search. If people really are as offended as they say they are (and they aren't) they would be all over their congressional rep and senator to do something about this.

No, they are instilling fear into gullible Americans who think that there are terrorists out to kill them...
And seriously.. the whole "it's a privilege not a right" bullshit can be twisted an contorted to fit any scenario.. and has been contorted by the police and military for years.

Originally Posted by kane

Back when I was a kid and went to a lot concerts at this one theater they would pat down everyone that came through the door. They did it because they didn't want you sneaking weapons, booze or any kind of recording devices in. Several years prior to this a guy had a knife on him at a show, got in a fight with another concert goer and stabbed him. The victim died and his parents sued the venue for not providing adequate security and won a very big settlement. So this new security was a result of that. Everyone knew it. They even told you to get their early because they opened the gates a few hours before the show to make sure they got everyone in. Were they violating my rights then? Was the country about to collapse in on itself in a wave of communism because of this?

When was the last time a terrorist brought a bomb on a plane? And seriously, if someone really wanted to get something on a plane to do some bad, they wouldn't have a problem figuring out how to do so.

This concert venue, just like the airlines are now, did this not because the terrorists have won, but because of money. It is the same reason we have seat belt laws. If a terrorist gets on a plane and causes trouble it opens the already struggling airline up to a potentially huge lawsuit. This is their way of trying to prevent that from happening.[/QUOTE]

No, this whole thing is the governments way of instilling fear into dumb ass Americans. And to say that no one has a problem with it, you are completely wrong. The problem is, there aren't enough people.. and that's because the bulk of Americans are complete idiots, gullible morons who believe everything they say on tv.

The government is getting exactly what they want, and that is for you to live in fear, so badly in fact that they can strip away your liberties and rights one by one without you even realizing it.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by czarina

and they all work in government positions

well said

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Dcat

I heard today that for the amount of money that's now been handed over to banks (both foreign and domestic), EVERY man, women, and child, in America could have been given a sack of cash totaling..

$350,000.00



My guess is that it's even more.

Merry Christmas bankers!

You have a link for that? I would not doubt it one bit. And that is just the money we know of.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Simple fix, go through the fucking scanner.

Simple fix give us freedom and liberty.

[pornjudge]

Leave the FUCKIN Children alone.... No other one then the parents should be able to touch their children.... people need to rally at every airport in America & demonstrate, it will only get worse.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by Dcat

I heard today that for the amount of money that's now been handed over to banks (both foreign and domestic), EVERY man, women, and child, in America could have been given a sack of cash totaling..

$350,000.00



My guess is that it's even more.

Merry Christmas bankers!

My guess is your math is off...

[DWB]

This is nothing, wait and see what's coming. Enjoy what you can while you still can.

[cykoe6]

The TSA is completely out of control. It should be disbanded. Leave security to the airports and private firms.

[CYF]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

The TSA is completely out of control. It should be disbanded. Leave security to the airports and private firms.

I totally agree, and I think some airports are looking at doing just that.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by Dcat

I heard today that for the amount of money that's now been handed over to banks (both foreign and domestic), EVERY man, women, and child, in America could have been given a sack of cash totaling..

$350,000.00



My guess is that it's even more.

Merry Christmas bankers!

No way in hell. The Fed didn't give $105,000,000,000,000 away.

[Phoenix]

if people literally stop flying..then the rules will change

i doubt it cuts down on flights

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by cjhmdm

And seriously.. the whole "it's a privilege not a right" bullshit can be twisted an contorted to fit any scenario.. and has been contorted by the police and military for years.

Air travel IS a privilege. There's no twisting to go on here. If flying were your right, you wouldn't have to pay for it. If you want to fly on their plane, you follow their rules. Don't like it, get on your horse and start hauling ass. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. Kane laid out the plain and simple truth of the matter, and if you don't like it, go buy a fucking air plane of your own and your argument will be validated. Nobody is going to grope your balls when you get onto your private jet...

[Agent 488]

only perverts see sexual abuse in a common pat down. turn off zootube for awhile and take a walk in the fresh air.

[cjhmdm]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Air travel IS a privilege. There's no twisting to go on here. If flying were your right, you wouldn't have to pay for it. If you want to fly on their plane, you follow their rules. Don't like it, get on your horse and start hauling ass. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. Kane laid out the plain and simple truth of the matter, and if you don't like it, go buy a fucking air plane of your own and your argument will be validated. Nobody is going to grope your balls when you get onto your private jet...

Umm... it's not the airlines rules, nor the airports, nor anyone actually even associated with air travel. It's the government twisting shit around and making shit up so you idiots live in fear for your lives and they can take that much more control over you, strip that much more of your actual freedom and liberty away without you even realizing it because you're too fucking stupid to realize that the only "terrorists" you need to be afraid of are the people running the country.

Keep your blinders on.. it's ok, no really.. You see, the southern half of the country I live in now actually has real terrorists. They actually blow shit up and kill people here... there are real people here that would make those so called terrorists you're afraid of look like little fucking chumps; some of them no older than 10 years old... but you know what? The rest of the country doesn't go around living in fear like complete fucking retards because of it... And you know what else? I have more freedom in this country than I ever had in the US (not that I actually like living here, as this place has it's own share of problems, but one of them ain't stripping away freedom from it's people so it can slowly turn itself into a totalitarianism country).

Then again, maybe that's the problem.. Maybe if you people actually knew what a real terrorist was, maybe you'd realize that right about now, you are essentially being afraid of nothing more than your own shadows...

[cjhmdm]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

only perverts see sexual abuse in a common pat down. turn off zootube for awhile and take a walk in the fresh air.

Only child molesters see nothing wrong with someone groping and fondling their children while claiming they're looking for weapons of mass destruction.

[kazbalah]

Dont worry they will make chips soon, which they can implant and track all of your movements, to make sure your not a terrorist.

We will all be safe then

[Sarah_Jayne]

Time for people to start Ghandi-ing up and go with civil disobedience.

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Air travel IS a privilege. There's no twisting to go on here. If flying were your right, you wouldn't have to pay for it. If you want to fly on their plane, you follow their rules. Don't like it, get on your horse and start hauling ass. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. Kane laid out the plain and simple truth of the matter, and if you don't like it, go buy a fucking air plane of your own and your argument will be validated. Nobody is going to grope your balls when you get onto your private jet...

Driving costs money, so that's out. Bus costs money, so that's out. Train costs money, so that's out.

Heck, even walking costs money - acquiring public right of ways / building and maintaining them, such as roads, sidewalks, paths, etc costs money.

In a free society, right of free movement IS a basic right regardless of whether it's walking, car, bus, train, flying, etc.

Ron

[cjhmdm]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Driving costs money, so that's out. Bus costs money, so that's out. Train costs money, so that's out.

Heck, even walking costs money - acquiring public right of ways / building and maintaining them, such as roads, sidewalks, paths, etc costs money.

In a free society, right of free movement IS a basic right regardless of whether it's walking, car, bus, train, flying, etc.

Ron

But see, using their dumb ass logic, driving, taking a bus, riding your horse, or even walking are all privileges as well.. not rights...

It's the same dumb ass twisted logic that keep stupid Americans stupid

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by kane

While I agree with everyone that this line of thinking with kids in mind is amazingly stupid and I think that TSA is going overboard with the scanning/groping, is this really a violation of freedoms?

Let me play devil's advocate for a second. Flying is not a right. Flying is a privilege and it is something you choose to do voluntarily. By now we all know about the frisking so you now know that if you choose to fly, you are also agreeing to get the pat down on the scanner. Your rights are not being taken away from you. You are volunteering to give them up.

with all the bailouts airlines have got over the years, your tax dollars are paying for them to stay in business, so i think there should be some rights given..

[spazlabz]

The TSA has said that the newer patdowns will not apply to children under 12

yeah right around the time girls start to develop. I cannot imagine the negative effect this would have on a teen girl is incalculable. We really should fallow Israel's example if we are that concerned about airport security

[Machete_]

i'm going to outside to play some games

[Sly]

Metal detectors

Liquids

Shoes

Increased frisk

More detailed scanners

More detailed frisk

Scanners at train terminals?

...

The progression cannot be denied. All within 10 years. I don't feel any less safe than I did 10 years ago. Call me naive, 9/11 was an extreme freak occurrence that will hopefully never happen again. Safety measures need to be in place, absolutely. How many? What level is "enough?" Do these measures actually prevent disaster? Is there really an imminent threat that cannot already be thwarted with methods currently in place?

[TurboAngel]

That's why I don't fly!

[- LOL -]

I've been doing this for years. I could be a TSA screener!

[Fletch XXX]

where pics or videos? someone gotta have some good footage news will want