Anderson Silva Got Chin Kick from Steven Seagal

[chaze]

This is crazy, Seagal? Really

Anderson Silva has done it again. On top of being widely considered one of the top pound-for-pound fighters, not only in the UFC but in all fighting sports, he is now the co-headliner of one of the more bizarre sports training stories in recent history.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...-steven-seagal

[tripxsteve]

alot of people hate on seagal because of his shitty acting but he's a badass.. i wouldnt want to piss him off at a bar. lol

[Spunky]

Hey man nice shot

[TheSenator]

Steven Seagal has changed the MMA world. Fuck BJJ, wrestling and all that other fantasy bullshit.


Steven Seagal has made a break threw!!!!


Bow to the power

[d-null]

if Seagal keeps practicing, one day he might be tough enough to take on Chuck Norris

[Fucksakes]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...blicity-stunt/

[ColBigBalls]

[HD Content]

Steven Seagal is the real.. Look how is so much more advanced than his student silva

[TheDoc]

He's been training for a long ass time that's for sure... anyone training that long would be a bad ass to some degree.

That doesn't change the facts that he's fat and slow today...

[DEA - banned for life]

all fags in the videos.

[Relentless]

As long as he isn't Silva's cardio trainer I'm sure his input is helpful ;)

[MrBottomTooth]

Seagal hasn't been able to kick over his waist for about 10 years. They did the same crap with Machida, showing him "learning" techniques from Seagal.

Everytime I see Seagal talk about it in a interview I am waiting for him to throw up the BP4Life handsign.

[webairalex]

"I am going to take you to the bank senator, the blood bank"

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He's been training for a long ass time that's for sure... anyone training that long would be a bad ass to some degree.

That doesn't change the facts that he's fat and slow today...

He is over weight but not slow. His stamina would get him hurt in the long run but still. He is good with submission techniques.

[Anthony]

Anderson Silva and Blackhouse trolled everyone. Segal can't kick higher than his knees.

Apparently Anderson Silva thinks there's a problem, at least with his image among American MMA fans.

According to Brazilian MMA Magazine "Vale Tudo Portal" (Porto do Vale Tudo), the appearances with Seagal were all part of an orchestrated campaign to raise Silva's profile in the US.

From the latest issue of the magazine:
"The declaration of the champion Anderson Silva (Seagal helping him with the amazing kick) was contemplated with humor by the fans, who knows that the actor was at most twice with the Brazilian.

The approach between the two was actually a marketing maneuver planned by the agent of Anderson, Jorge Joinha, to give more visibility to it's champion in the American media. The plan worked very well in the first stage, the problem was in the wrong dose and reached the absurdity of assigning a brilliant victory by the biggest name in the MMA of all time to a "Master of Hollywood" who never climbed in the ring. The worst of all is that Seagal, perhaps influenced by some of his films, believed and even stated in several interviews after the fight that "He (Anderson) did everything the way i taught him and made me very proud". For God's sake..."
Why Silva felt that Seagal would help him get positive exposure must be chalked up to a misunderstanding for how well liked the overweight, energy drink selling, guitar playing, Dalai Lama up-to-sucking, CIA-story-fabricating, pants-defecating, former "Action" star is in the USA; at least amongst genuine fight fans.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by d-null

if Seagal keeps practicing, one day he might be tough enough to take on Chuck Norris

or Jack Bauer

[Phoenix]

seagal can shoot a gun nicely...saw him do the card trick..lol

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by pornguy

He is over weight but not slow. His stamina would get him hurt in the long run but still. He is good with submission techniques.

I wasn't meaning slow, like a slow punch or slow to block.. it's probably second nature to him.

I meant it more like, him being so over weight has killed his agility - overall he doesn't move very fast. That's what it looks like to me in his movies, for many years they've been speeding him up just so he moves at a normal speed - other fighters, they slow it down - so we can see it. In the ring, I think his stamina would kill any agility he might have in the first few seconds....

Again though, standing toe to toe with him, trying to exchange blows - probably isn't the smartest idea. But I'm more the sure he can't pick that fat ass leg up off the ground fast enough to avoid taking a side shot in the knee.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I wasn't meaning slow, like a slow punch or slow to block.. it's probably second nature to him.

I meant it more like, him being so over weight has killed his agility - overall he doesn't move very fast. That's what it looks like to me in his movies, for many years they've been speeding him up just so he moves at a normal speed - other fighters, they slow it down - so we can see it. In the ring, I think his stamina would kill any agility he might have in the first few seconds....

Again though, standing toe to toe with him, trying to exchange blows - probably isn't the smartest idea. But I'm more the sure he can't pick that fat ass leg up off the ground fast enough to avoid taking a side shot in the knee.

I tend to agree with you totally

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I wasn't meaning slow, like a slow punch or slow to block.. it's probably second nature to him.

I meant it more like, him being so over weight has killed his agility - overall he doesn't move very fast. That's what it looks like to me in his movies, for many years they've been speeding him up just so he moves at a normal speed - other fighters, they slow it down - so we can see it. In the ring, I think his stamina would kill any agility he might have in the first few seconds....

Again though, standing toe to toe with him, trying to exchange blows - probably isn't the smartest idea. But I'm more the sure he can't pick that fat ass leg up off the ground fast enough to avoid taking a side shot in the knee.

He'd give an untrained person problems. He's too slow, fat and out of shape for really anything else. I don't see Segal being able to sprawl to save his life.

[DirtyDanza]

being a martial artist myself I will not bash Master Seagal he is still what a 7th or 8th dan? one of the highest ranking Dan's in the world for Akido .. and the bottom line is

id put my money on steven seagal against 99.9999% of everyone on this board

ill put it this way..

I'm 29 now in peak physical condition train 5 days a week hardcore mma....

I started my Jiu Jitsu with GrandMaster Reylson Gracie who is now the "highest ranking Gracie" in the family and in Jiu Jitsu world over...

he gets tons of flack for his style he teaches and what not... he's in his 60's

don't let that fool you he's still a grandmaster and a gracie.. sure if I wanted to cheapshot him I could KO him easy but if he knew I was coming I'm fucked....

moral of the story is... sure anyone can cheapshot one of these guys like steven but don't be to sure he's a highranking dan for a reason .. they always have tricks up their sleeve...

look in your local phone book and find an akido school near you.. go into the class one day and do some of the wrist locks and throws they do.. just see for yourself how fast they work....

as for seagal being able to kick above his waist still?


well shit... im sure Dan Gable has'nt done a shot with a single to the double in 20 years but im sure every person on here who has wrestled or does mma would hop on a plane right now to go train under him

[chaze]

Originally Posted by Relentless

As long as he isn't Silva's cardio trainer I'm sure his input is helpful ;)

ha ha nice one, really though as a athletic fighter how do you let yourself get so fat.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

being a martial artist myself I will not bash Master Seagal he is still what a 7th or 8th dan? one of the highest ranking Dan's in the world for Akido .. and the bottom line is

id put my money on steven seagal against 99.9999% of everyone on this board

ill put it this way..

I'm 29 now in peak physical condition train 5 days a week hardcore mma....

I started my Jiu Jitsu with GrandMaster Reylson Gracie who is now the "highest ranking Gracie" in the family and in Jiu Jitsu world over...

he gets tons of flack for his style he teaches and what not... he's in his 60's

don't let that fool you he's still a grandmaster and a gracie.. sure if I wanted to cheapshot him I could KO him easy but if he knew I was coming I'm fucked....

moral of the story is... sure anyone can cheapshot one of these guys like steven but don't be to sure he's a highranking dan for a reason .. they always have tricks up their sleeve...

look in your local phone book and find an akido school near you.. go into the class one day and do some of the wrist locks and throws they do.. just see for yourself how fast they work....

as for seagal being able to kick above his waist still?


well shit... im sure Dan Gable has'nt done a shot with a single to the double in 20 years but im sure every person on here who has wrestled or does mma would hop on a plane right now to go train under him

Aikido looks flashy and great because of one thing. A fully NON RESISTANT partner who can fall well. AFter 2 years training in it, I can tell you maybe 5 percent of it is of any use, and that's only if the other person isn't expecting it.

Segal is a Poser, who has lied about everything in his life other than his ranking. And even his ranking in Aikido is suspect.

No way in Hell Segal would live from a double take down and mounted ground and pound.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by chaze

ha ha nice one, really though as a athletic fighter how do you let yourself get so fat.

Segal is neither athletic, or has a record of fighting in anything.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

being a martial artist myself I will not bash Master Seagal he is still what a 7th or 8th dan? one of the highest ranking Dan's in the world for Akido .. and the bottom line is

id put my money on steven seagal against 99.9999% of everyone on this board

ill put it this way..

I'm 29 now in peak physical condition train 5 days a week hardcore mma....

I started my Jiu Jitsu with GrandMaster Reylson Gracie who is now the "highest ranking Gracie" in the family and in Jiu Jitsu world over...

he gets tons of flack for his style he teaches and what not... he's in his 60's

don't let that fool you he's still a grandmaster and a gracie.. sure if I wanted to cheapshot him I could KO him easy but if he knew I was coming I'm fucked....

moral of the story is... sure anyone can cheapshot one of these guys like steven but don't be to sure he's a highranking dan for a reason .. they always have tricks up their sleeve...

look in your local phone book and find an akido school near you.. go into the class one day and do some of the wrist locks and throws they do.. just see for yourself how fast they work....

as for seagal being able to kick above his waist still?


well shit... im sure Dan Gable has'nt done a shot with a single to the double in 20 years but im sure every person on here who has wrestled or does mma would hop on a plane right now to go train under him

I've taken Aikido before... After learning a bit out it, I recommend all women take it, it's a great self defense style that requires very little power to move a person - perfect for the ladies, but not so good against trained fighters.

Wasn't Dan Gable a great wrestler? I never knew he ever did anything in mma.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I've taken Aikido before... After learning a bit out it, I recommend all women take it, it's a great self defense style that requires very little power to move a person - perfect for the ladies, but not so good against trained fighters.

Wasn't Dan Gable a great wrestler? I never knew he ever did anything in mma.

I disagree. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a better martial art for women than Aikido. With BJJ you actually have training partners who are going 100% against you, unlike Aikido that has training partners going 100% with you, ready to fall.

Dan Gable is the greatest that's ever lived. But never fought in MMA.

[Anthony]

Before Segal - Same Kick.


Here's Aranha throwing the same kick during capoiera.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I disagree. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a better martial art for women than Aikido. With BJJ you actually have training partners who are going 100% against you, unlike Aikido that has training partners going 100% with you, ready to fall.

Dan Gable is the greatest that's ever lived. But never fought in MMA.

BJJ is just great all around - but hellish on the body.

Submissions don't work unless your strong enough to hold them...my wife can't hold me in an arm bar or a choke hold for any longer than I want her to. That's where I thought Aikido would do better - it gets them away from her, just for a second - so she can get away.

My thinking is... get them away from you as quickly as possible, so you can get away.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I've taken Aikido before... After learning a bit out it, I recommend all women take it, it's a great self defense style that requires very little power to move a person - perfect for the ladies, but not so good against trained fighters.

Wasn't Dan Gable a great wrestler? I never knew he ever did anything in mma.

my point was even though dan gable is not on the mats with you throwing down he can still teach ....

every college wrestler would love a chance for a dan gable seminar I think we'd all agree on that same with mma fighters..

thats like freddy roach.. he's a boxer and boxing trainer but gsp went to him everyone would love to go to him


im with anthony bjj is great for women specially on the ground... it's the getting to the ground that is the bridge they need.. akido , or judo would work for that... or good ole fashion wrestling.. I dunno but I find cauliflower ears on chicks sexy as fuck.. just saying.....

I dunno maybe I am old school but regardless of "the truth" of how good someone is.. I still respect the ranking systems in all martial arts...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

BJJ is just great all around - but hellish on the body.

Submissions don't work unless your strong enough to hold them...my wife can't hold me in an arm bar or a choke hold for any longer than I want her to. That's where I thought Aikido would do better - it gets them away from her, just for a second - so she can get away.

My thinking is... get them away from you as quickly as possible, so you can get away.

My daughter at 11 could choke me out. I've had 130lbs training partners that I couldn't get out of their armbar. Sounds more like she's doing it wrong, imho. Once a sub is fully locked in, it's extremely hard to get out of, if at all. Next time we're all together at a show, I'd be more than happy to show her proper technique.

I 100% agree with you about running being the best defense. I strongly believe that if you are going to spend the time to train, train in the best possible manner with a fully rersisting opponent.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

BJJ is just great all around - but hellish on the body.

Submissions don't work unless your strong enough to hold them...my wife can't hold me in an arm bar or a choke hold for any longer than I want her to. That's where I thought Aikido would do better - it gets them away from her, just for a second - so she can get away.

My thinking is... get them away from you as quickly as possible, so you can get away.

she's not doing it right then...

once in the position a kid should be able to hold it no matter how strong the attacker is.. thats what bjj was invented for....

it's silly dood I been teaching fuzebox for a few weeks now and showing him just the difference between thumb vs no thumb on your grip... squeezing knees vs no squeezing knees .... arm over this hip vs over this hip... when to apply it when not to ... as GrandMaster Gracie used to say.. the technique is what matters not the strength....

granted im a firm beiliver that all I have to do is KO a bitch and she can know all the shit she wants to it's not going to help know what I mean.....

thats why I still prefer gun ....

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

my point was even though dan gable is not on the mats with you throwing down he can still teach ....

every college wrestler would love a chance for a dan gable seminar I think we'd all agree on that same with mma fighters..

thats like freddy roach.. he's a boxer and boxing trainer but gsp went to him everyone would love to go to him


im with anthony bjj is great for women specially on the ground... it's the getting to the ground that is the bridge they need.. akido , or judo would work for that... or good ole fashion wrestling.. I dunno but I find cauliflower ears on chicks sexy as fuck.. just saying.....

I dunno maybe I am old school but regardless of "the truth" of how good someone is.. I still respect the ranking systems in all martial arts...

Why would you respect the ranking system of Aikido? Hell, even BJJ is starting to get shady with fuckers buying their Blackbelts. The only reason why BJJ will never become a major McDojo is due to the one simple fact. Live Sparring.

Both you and I could spar and in about a minute, we would know what level the other one is. Truth. Aikido doesn't have that same limitus test that BJJ does, or Judo, or Muay Thai, Sambo, any combat sport.

What is it, like every 5 years you get a stripe on your Blackbelt in BJJ. Or was it 3? One of those. It's the same thing with any other martial art. Time in rank.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Anthony

My daughter at 11 could choke me out. I've had 130lbs training partners that I couldn't get out of their armbar. Sounds more like she's doing it wrong, imho. Once a sub is fully locked in, it's extremely hard to get out of, if at all. Next time we're all together at a show, I'd be more than happy to show her proper technique.

I 100% agree with you about running being the best defense. I strongly believe that if you are going to spend the time to train, train in the best possible manner with a fully rersisting opponent.

hahah I guess we know who the jits guys on the board are LOL

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Why would you respect the ranking system of Aikido? Hell, even BJJ is starting to get shady with fuckers buying their Blackbelts. The only reason why BJJ will never become a major McDojo is due to the one simple fact. Live Sparring.

Both you and I could spar and in about a minute, we would know what level the other one is. Truth. Aikido doesn't have that same limitus test that BJJ does, or Judo, or Muay Thai, Sambo, any combat sport.

What is it, like every 5 years you get a stripe on your Blackbelt in BJJ. Or was it 3? One of those. It's the same thing with any other martial art. Time in rank.

I Think it's every 3 years up til 4th degree then it go's to like 5 or 10 something silly.....


agreed on the rolling thing thats how I judge how to go with partners is the first min of sparring.. you can tell right away if they are smooth like me or jerkers and muscle freaks.....


I dunno I know all the fake belt bs and all that stuff.. but I dunno .. call it old habbits hard to break....

now a days rank is more like you said time...

Ive rolled blackbelts and been rolled by solid white belts... ive almost stopped the belt system all together and just wear what ever belt I got on me that day weather it be my white or purple.... helio said the belt covers 1 inch of your waist the rest is up to you

plus all I need a belt for is to choke people with...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

hahah I guess we know who the jits guys on the board are LOL

Remember Fight Quest tv show? I like the part they fought Blackbelts and experts in all the martial arts they competed against, but they got a new purple belt for BJJ.



Prime example of what a fully locked on armbar will do to you if you don't tap.

[seeandsee]

fake as his movies

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Remember Fight Quest tv show? I like the part they fought Blackbelts and experts in all the martial arts they competed against, but they got a new purple belt for BJJ.



Prime example of what a fully locked on armbar will do to you if you don't tap.

haha that purple is just toying with him... you know how it is....


when I play with whites I tell myself .. ok im getting you in kimura .. and no matter how many other subs I could get I only go for that....

I bet thats what he was doing.....

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

haha that purple is just toying with him... you know how it is....


when I play with whites I tell myself .. ok im getting you in kimura .. and no matter how many other subs I could get I only go for that....

I bet thats what he was doing.....

Kinda puts it in perspective, Jimmy is supposed to be a Purple belt in BJJ, but he sure didn't look like it there. Just Dave XXX has a theory, the further you are from the source, the more watered down your Jits becomes. And it shows in that clip.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Anthony

My daughter at 11 could choke me out. I've had 130lbs training partners that I couldn't get out of their armbar. Sounds more like she's doing it wrong, imho. Once a sub is fully locked in, it's extremely hard to get out of, if at all. Next time we're all together at a show, I'd be more than happy to show her proper technique.

I 100% agree with you about running being the best defense. I strongly believe that if you are going to spend the time to train, train in the best possible manner with a fully rersisting opponent.

It sounds like you wouldn't break your 11 year old daughters fingers to get the hold to break... which is understandable. You talk about resistance training, why didn't you stand up and slam her into the wall or body drop on her? I know the reason... just saying.

A 130lb male is a hell of a difference than a 130lb female that doesn't train. Even if the male doesn't train, he is incredibly stronger than the female.

Fully locked in, she doesn't have the strength to hold the lock, to make it painful, or stop me from doing just about anything I choose to get out of it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

she's not doing it right then...

once in the position a kid should be able to hold it no matter how strong the attacker is.. thats what bjj was invented for....

it's silly dood I been teaching fuzebox for a few weeks now and showing him just the difference between thumb vs no thumb on your grip... squeezing knees vs no squeezing knees .... arm over this hip vs over this hip... when to apply it when not to ... as GrandMaster Gracie used to say.. the technique is what matters not the strength....

granted im a firm beiliver that all I have to do is KO a bitch and she can know all the shit she wants to it's not going to help know what I mean.....

thats why I still prefer gun ....

When my two boys together can't beat me in one finger mercy, I'm pretty sure they don't have the size requirement to even put a proper lock on me, create any level of pain, or hold it.

Fuzebox is an adult male... you guys training is going to come down to proper technique, because you're basically equal.

Do you think a girl could KO you, simply because she wanted to, thus did it? Probably not unless she got lucky... just like in lock move, it's only going to work - if she gets lucky.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It sounds like you wouldn't break your 11 year old daughters fingers to get the hold to break... which is understandable.

A 130lb male is a hell of a difference than a 130lb female that doesn't train.

Fully locked in, she doesn't have the strength to hold the lock, to make it painful, or stop me from doing just about anything I choose to get out of it.

Break my daughter's fingers? There no fingers to grab in a rear naked choke. You have between 3 to 7 seconds depending on the person before you pass out from the blood choke. That explains the technique is being incorrectly applied.

A fully locked on armbar doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, your arm is not stronger than your wife's whole back and hamstring muscles. As for the weight, I'm between 240 to 260 depending if I'm lifting weights, 130lbs male while stronger than a woman, is not stronger than me. Being half my size, my arm cannot beat his whole body pulling on my arm hyperextending it.

By saying she doesn't have the strength to finish you means she isn't doing the technique right. My offer still stands to show the proper technique.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

When my two boys together can't beat me in one finger mercy, I'm pretty sure they don't have the size requirement to even put a proper lock on me, create any level of pain, or hold it.

Fuzebox is an adult male... you guys training is going to come down to proper technique, because you're basically equal.

Do you think a girl could KO you, simply because she wanted to, thus did it? Probably not unless she got lucky... just like in lock move, it's only going to work - if she gets lucky.

You are 100 percent wrong Bro. Submissions isn't striking. I agree with you a woman won't be knocking a guy the same size out anytime soon, but I disagree that she can't sub him. There is no luck in submissions. Either you get it, or you don't.

Kyra Gracie BJJ Blackbelt vs Larger Male Judo Blackbelt

Skip to about 5:00

[Anthony]

Here ya go Doc. Courtesy of the staff at Metro Money.

Quick and easy lesson on how to apply a proper rear naked choke.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Break my daughter's fingers? There no fingers to grab in a rear naked choke. You have between 3 to 7 seconds depending on the person before you pass out from the blood choke. That explains the technique is being incorrectly applied.

A fully locked on armbar doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, your arm is not stronger than your wife's whole back and hamstring muscles. As for the weight, I'm between 240 to 260 depending if I'm lifting weights, 130lbs male while stronger than a woman, is not stronger than me. Being half my size, my arm cannot beat his whole body pulling on my arm hyperextending it.

By saying she doesn't have the strength to finish you means she isn't doing the technique right. My offer still stands to show the proper technique.

You didn't say rear naked choke.. and a choke hold is only that fast if the person walked up and got a full lock on you, straight from the start. You either let her put you in the lock - or you didn't do what you could to get out of it.

You can show her if you want, you wouldn't be the first... It's not like she is throwing herself into the armbar and dropping one on me out of the blue. It's already possible to get out of armbars, so getting out of it with with her, isn't a challenge.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Anthony

You are 100 percent wrong Bro. Submissions isn't striking. I agree with you a woman won't be knocking a guy the same size out anytime soon, but I disagree that she can't sub him. There is no luck in submissions. Either you get it, or you don't.

Kyra Gracie BJJ Blackbelt vs Larger Male Judo Blackbelt

Skip to about 5:00

Those two are pretty equal in size... and both males.

The getting a submission vs. a KO, would be the same equal chances of it happening... Chances are, she isn't even going to get a submission hold started, let alone set and locked - just like the KO.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You didn't say rear naked choke.. and a choke hold is only that fast if the person walked up and got a full lock on you, straight from the start. You either let her put you in the lock - or you didn't do what you could to get out of it.

You can show her if you want, you wouldn't be the first... It's not like she is throwing herself into the armbar and dropping one on me out of the blue. It's already possible to get out of armbars, so getting out of it with with her, isn't a challenge.

What other choke were you referring too dude? Coupled with you saying armbars, that's the choke anyone would think you were talking about.

I've seen a few instances in my life of someone getting out of a fully locked armbar. You'll forgive me if I don't believe you when you say you can get out of them and have zero submission fighting training.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Those two are pretty equal in size... and both males.

The getting a submission vs. a KO, would be the same equal chances of it happening... Chances are, she isn't even going to get a submission hold started, let alone set and locked - just like the KO.

Ummm, boobs flying out of her gi, and you think she's a male? And she got the submission, winning the match.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Here ya go Doc. Courtesy of the staff at Metro Money.

Quick and easy lesson on how to apply a proper rear naked choke.

Aye, I know what they are... they are a pain to get out of, but breakable, you can slip fingers in to keep blood flowing, bashing your head back, rolling the weight to them, ect all helps... and it almost never goes on smoothly without some block coming in to stop it.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Aye, I know what they are... they are a pain to get out of, but breakable, you can slip fingers in to keep blood flowing, bashing your head back, rolling the weight to them, ect all helps... and it almost never goes on smoothly without some block coming in to stop it.

You said fully locked on choke. Everything you are saying is before it's fully locked on. It only takes 30% stoppage of blood to the brain for you to pass out.

Sure it can help before it gets locked on, but once that position is reached, you either tap, or nap.

So you saying you can get out of a fully locked RNC is something I want to see. Hell, I'll put $100.00 bet that you wouldn't get out of one just for shits and giggles.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Anthony

What other choke were you referring too dude? Coupled with you saying armbars, that's the choke anyone would think you were talking about.

I've seen a few instances in my life of someone getting out of a fully locked armbar. You'll forgive me if I don't believe you when you say you can get out of them and have zero submission fighting training.

Naked choke hold is on the ground, wrapped in the person - that you let put on you, isn't what we're talking about. When you said choked you out, I pictured her coming up from behind and putting you in a choke hold.. as I never pictured an 11 year old taking you tot he ground and then getting the advantage on you.

What makes you think I have zero submission fighting training? I'm not BJJ trained, but I've taken years of Shootfighting, even though it's not what I prefer to train in today.. I like to box, I just like to throw elbows too :/