Skimmed traffic: Can anyone convert it. Will the price drop.

[Vjo]

I notice a lot of skim avail lately. Which tells me noone is converting it.

You can lead a surfer to a page but you cant make him buy.

In theory blind traffic should be an ok deal as you can get 8-10 or more skimmed US hits for the same price as one clicked US hit from many brokers.

Of course the bounce rate is terrible and the avg time on site is too but you would think 10:1 for your money would make up the diff, But it doesnt. It should prob be reduced by 25% for starters and even then it may not profitable.

I would like to cont to add skim to my mix but I'll be damn if I can make a profit after 18 months of trying.

Why is it so high priced? It used to be said, "well somebody is buying it." But lately less and less. How much less? About 50% of 3 months ago from what I see.

Why not lower the price? The sellers will make more than if noone is buying.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Vjo

I notice a lot of skim avail lately. Which tells me noone is converting it.

You can lead a surfer to a page but you cant make him buy.

In theory blind traffic should be an ok deal as you can get 8-10 or more skimmed US hits for the same price as one clicked US hit from many brokers.

Of course the bounce rate is terrible and the avg time on site is too but you would think 10:1 for your money would make up the diff, But it doesnt. It should prob be reduced by 25% for starters and even then it may not profitable.

I would like to cont to add skim to my mix but I'll be damn if I can make a profit after 18 months of trying.

Why is it so high priced? It used to be said, "well somebody is buying it." But lately less and less. How much less? About 50% of 3 months ago from what I see.

Why not lower the price? The sellers will make more than if noone is buying.

its a numbers game. that is all i will say.

[the Shemp]

skim isnt for sales ...

[pornguy]

Any traffic can be converted but it has to be sent to the right thing... Skimming a click blind is a waste. Pisses a lot of surfers off. especially when they click 10 times and get shot to another page each time.

We its not a wast. You skim it to trade it with others.

[Klen]

Skim traffic was never made for sales anyway,but it was possible to make it before tube sites.

[Vjo]

Just wanted to say thanks for the feedback.

I hear ya, it's not really used directly for sales.

It's more the psychological factors that amaze me. And how dead blind traffic really is in terms of conversions. Makes sense as now days esp, surfers really have to be interested in something to buy.

Sometimes I wonder what the actual ratio to sell something directly is. But it is indeed certainly way higher than the price.

Anyhow I'll give up trying to conv it directly at a profit. Thanks for the direction.

[Agent 488]

it's for feeding sites to grow them. not sales.

[Boss Traffic Jim]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

its a numbers game. that is all i will say.

Exactly !!! play the numbers right and you can make some good loot still..

[eastwood]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

it's for feeding sites to grow them. not sales.

And that would be the worst investment ever. Unless you are trying to impress friends with numbers or boost alexa to gain some advertisers

People buying skim/feeder get back to buying REAL and productive traffic directly from website owners sooner or later. Depending on how tight their budget is, more sooner then later.

[Vjo]

The interesting thing too is I seem to get about the same click thrus for my $ with skim as clicked. Actually even more click thrus for my $. When given lots of choices and links and being all US surfers. Of course 8-10 bounce in 10 secs but 2 in 10 look around.

But getting them to pull the trigger and buy is way worse.

Actually the cost of getting them to click link X is cheaper with skim.

So if my ratio is say 1:3000 you would fig ok 3000 skimmed click thrus (where the surfer has lots of choices) would be the same "interest factor" as 3000 click thrus from non skim sources and the ratios would stay the same overall as a click thru is a click thru.

The diff is one came to the site and is looking around. The other was thrown at the site but is also looking around. But in their minds is the diff. One was just jerked. (altho interested) The other feels he has free will.

So a click thru is not a click thru statisticly.

[Vjo]

And yes, sorry guys I should of mentioned I realize it is mainly for buying and trading. It was late.

I am more interested in making a flat out profit. I have not been able to but I am fairly close. It does convert just not quite in my price range.

It's sort of a loss leader. Keep lots of traffic flowing, has other intangible bennies, so I don't know, it's still prob worth it to flat out try and convert it. If I get 80% back I am prob ahead due to other intangibles. Actually because it is tax deductable I could prob get 60% and be ahead.

If it could be flat out converted at a profit or even near break even, would be nice.

[Vjo]

Actually I was able to buy it at a profit for a while. I was getting 1.8 cents a pop from Juicy for a while. at a decent click thru %. Now I am only getting .8 to 1 from Juicy and not as good ctr.

But for a while, we rocked and rolled for real on skim.



So it CAN be done. At least in the past.

[Choker]

It's simply not as valuable as it was before. You are correct. Traffic I used to be able to get $5 a k easy I now sale for $3 per k. I have reduced my prices BIGTIME while other brokers have not. I have also changed my entire business plan and the way i generate traffic. It's amusing to watch these new brokers still springing up selling the same old recycled garbage traffic that other brokers sale. Guys skim traffic send it to broker A, what broker A does not sale is sent to broker B. I cut this shit our entirely on my system, made brand new sites to generate traffic that todays sites can convert. As a result I'm selling pretty much 100% of my traffic. Every 3 months or so I have to make all new sites , all new methods of traffic generation just to stay on top of what's going on. The current pattern is sponsors making their own tube and fake tube sites and feeding them with skimmed traffic. It's working for many of them.

[Vjo]

Thanks Choker, real good feedback.

Btw, the only reason I havent tried your skim is you require some type of pic or vid content (from your rules) and mine are mostly old school style. I havent been turned down yet so maybe I'll bounce my sites off ya some time.

All in all I am back to leaning towards NOT trying to convert skim even at 60% return. Even when I was almost getting the traffic free (as I had a high ctr to Juicy as said) I still couldnt sell it for shit.

On stats, on paper as I pointed out they should be buying. But I think it is a mechanism today where people just dont buy off what they perceive is a popup. Even if they like what they see and surf like they are interested.

Prob a marketing concept somewhere covers all this.

Actually I ran a small tube for a while and did send it quite a bit of skim traffic. At the time I didnt think I did well but looking back I got a couple recurs that go on and on. So there ya go.

[Wex777]

Who has the cheapest skim traffic for sale?

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Skim traffic was never made for sales anyway,but it was possible to make it before tube sites.

[The Porn Nerd]

Vjo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's all I gotta say buddy.

Hey-O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[C H R I S]

We have a considerable amount of customers that convert our traffic quite well. Of course these are not paysite clients.

As for alot of inventory, most of our premium country traffic is 90-95% sold all the time.

As for prices, our prices are among the lowest of any broker and I am always willing to make special deals for volume clients, and even special test rates to see if the traffic will convert for you.

Bottom line is if the traffic doesnt work for a client they won't be coming back. I do everything I can to make our traffic work for our clients and many of them can attest to this.

[Vjo]

Still not having much luck lately with skim as an affil. As a pay op ya might have a shot if ya got a good recurring prog but it is hard and getting harder to convert non targeted, pure blind traffic.

Traffic Holder prob has the cheapest Wex.

MP! How's FLA! Looks like you got out of NY just in the nick of time.

[ravo]

Trying to make skimmed traffic work as an affiliate would be very difficult.

Like brassmonkey said, it's a numbers game. There are quite a few program owners I work with directly that make a profit using skimmed traffic.

And, for sure, the price has dropped in the last 6-9 months.

[cherrylula]

no way.... bot conversions are better than ever!! ha ha

[u-Bob]

"All traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing" -- u-Bob, 1935


Personally I'm still buying traffic and turning it into a profit.... how? by analyzing and filtering my traffic....

anyway, the price drop could also be related to the increase in supply. More people started selling traffic for a guaranteed price instead of sending it to affiliate programs because conversions went down (because of traffic leaks (think twitter), because of ancient tracking methods (think cookies), xsales and js exit pops on revshare links,...)

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Wex777

Who has the cheapest skim traffic for sale?

Define "cheap"

[The Porn Nerd]

Bump for an actual business thread. Plus, Vjo rocks.

(Yeah man, NYC is fucking nuts right now, close to Minnesota weather. Well, not really but it sure feels that way to a winter pussy like myself. Hope you're doing good Vjo, digging out, staying in, keeping warm, listening to the best tunes and making a profit (somehow). Oh - and Jan/Feb are usualy the slowest months of the year for many people anyway so maybe the purchased traffic thing would be profitable for you in the springtime. Let's hope!! We need Vjo to make a profit people so he can continue to be a part of the GFY community and post his excellent - awesome! - music vids. I'm saying a prayer right now to the traffic gods, Vjo....)

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Skim traffic is going to die right along with the only thing it was ever good for. TGPs needing to boost up their trades...

[kazbalah]

I would have to agree with angry jew cat - Thats what most people buy TGP traffic for - To boost TGP trades.

So if the TGPS die out due to, tubes for example, less people will buy it.

Although i bet sending TGP traffic to tube sites generates alot of bookmarkers, so people will still buy it.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

Thats what most people buy TGP traffic for - To boost TGP trades.

hehe, I guess we've found the nr 1 problem in this industry: lack of creativity. It's safe to say that the majority of webmasters only knows how to copy what others have done before...

Yes, a lot of people buy traffic to boost trades, but that doesn't mean boosting trades is the only thing skimmed traffic is good for.


(Kaz: not aimed at you, speaking in general)

[wehateporn]

Those frustrated surfers who are regularly getting transported around against their will in the skim are then more likely to want to settle down one day with a number of sites who they know they can trust. So hence if you've got a site that respects the surfer, then skimmed traffic could build you a loyal following