TheDoc

What's funny is, if you added up everything you've ever earned in your life from corp to personal, stacked it all together in one year, you still aren't part of any class but the working class that year.

The Elite class does not pay the top %, the wealthy/rich classes do. You, pretending to be rich, still pays the elite class, every day of your life, in every business transaction you do.

No reason to pretend you're anything but a working slave - when you are... your money, just like mine, goes straight up and out, to a much wealthier class than any of us here will ever reach.

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12clicks

I understand that thats how it seems from the bottom rung and I'm sorry you'll never move up from there because if you did, you wouldn't be bitter at those with more than you.
I applaud those who've found a way to make more than me. If you could manage to make a little money, the size of the bitter chip on your shoulder would shrink.

that, however, has nothing to do with the fact that the rich pay for everything already.

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TheDoc

Son, the entire Industry you work in, even if you produced every bit of the 12-14 billion dollars, still wouldn't put you in the elite class, chump.

The wealthy, rich, and down the chain - that's who pays the taxes - THE WORKING PEOPLE.. And your taxes, pays the elite class, directly. So every bit of work you do, every bit of wealth you produce, all business, the minute you get paid - part of it pays them - and they pay 0% tax on that, and they produced nothing for it...

It's funny though, watching you pretend to be something you don't even understand.

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Vendzilla

Well say what you want, now California is even going to make some changes, like the new hires for the state will be going to a 401k style of retirement, instead of a unfunded retirement that pays them 95% of what they made, when they retire with Social Security, they get a pay raise.

Remember that when you get a $300 fix it ticket for a burnt out brake light or you need to speak Spanish to communicate with the cashier at Taco Bell, or you hear about how the drop out rate of California Schools is over 22% or you have to wait for 3 hours at the DMV.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

That's a much better idea than killing what people had built lives on. At least the new people will start with a new mind set.

But Cali isn't broke from that, and Cali could be wealthy as piss if they were not forced to sell natural resources cheaper than they're forced to buy them for, for like the last 30 years. Which is Corporations controlling your natural resources, money flow, getting tax breaks to sell the crap to themselves in other states, and so on...

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12clicks

please, silly little boy. money earned is taxed. Money invested in some cases is not.
If the elite "earn" they're taxed. If they have tax free investments, they aren't. The rest of your childish paragraph is just bottom rung idiocy.


I never understood the envy of some bottom rungers. Even back when I made the peanuts you now make I knew that someone else's money was theirs, not mine. I wasn't entitled to it, I wasn't envious of it.

you, however, are cut from a much more basic cloth

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TheDoc

Wow, aren't you an uneducated fool that just likes to open your mouth and spew trash.

The elite class don't take a paycheck, draw an income, or 'earn' a dime. I had no idea you were this stupid to how the truly wealthy make money... it really shows, how little business education you have. They are way past the same rules, you're 'forced' to play in.

Envy of what? Stealing my tax dollars, not paying into the system, making money without producing or hiring anyone, robbing the system dry, spending our tax dollars without giving back? I should be envy of ceo's that can spend hundreds of billions in profits during peak times, get bailouts of hundreds of billions when they screw up, spend hundreds of billions not creating jobs or anything, and never pay a dime in tax on all that money, even if it earned money, it's tax free...... Yeah buddy, none of us here are playing at this level - and they aren't earning anything like we do.

No, stain... I'm not envy of what actually is killing our Country.

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12clicks

hahaha, someone take the tinfoil away from this kid.

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TheDoc

Truly uneducated.... right now States take your tax dollars, invest in Corporations directly, fight to get those corps more power into your State, to push out other Corps, the State then earns money from this and moves that money to State projects that feed the same Corporations that also get massive tax breaks to not pay any Taxes.

Basically, they screw the free market over because of greed and corporate influence.... but hey, watching you pretend you have a clue and call us kids and act like you have money, is actually more entertaining than learning the truth about anything.

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12clicks

hahahahaha

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fatfoo

It's hard to decide which source of information is biased. I suppose if you pay someone money, he/she will say everything just to please you. Although, sometimes they say the opposite. It's hard to find truthful sources of information for your life. The best source could be a close relative or a close friend.

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TheDoc

You can't be this stupid? It's earned through Corporate incentives, not a paycheck, not as income, it never adds to the very little, if any.. taxable income they do earn.

Truly do we really have to continue to read your stupidity anymore?

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12clicks

ahahahahaha!
fuck, I can't express my laughter enough.

dear ass hat, is this your secret elite?
holy christ if only you had a friend.......they'd tell you to stop typing. you're embarrassing yourself.

dear shit for brains. your example has a corporation and a state. which one is the elite person?


here's a clue, clueless...........when the money leaves the corp and goes into someone's pocket, it gets taxed.


dopey 1040EZ little boy

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Vendzilla

We have more illegal aliens than anyone else, we pay state workers more than anyone else, Our schools are a complete mess, our highways need help and the cost of having a company here has driven out a lot of companies!!!

I live in the most northern section of California and the plan around here is to separate the state in 3 sections, they want to call this the state of Jefferson

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

Really, you're too stupid to understand people run Corporations and the State?

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12clicks

you know, one of those elite fuckers was in line in front of me at the grocery store the other day. He bought beer with his elitist corporate incentives.

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12clicks

no, you're too stupid to understand that when those people are paid, its taxed.

really, you're stupidity is embarrassing.
stop typing.

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TheDoc

Illegals produce money and pay taxes... I know you hate it, but it's true. Your schools suck because of the Fed, it sucks for pretty much all of us - but Obama has put together a plan that is actually working... so maybe it will filter your way in a few years.

Yes, one of my biggest bitches is the tax dollars not being spent on infrastructure. And I don't mean more pretty parks for fags to walk dogs in.

Hehe, Jefferson.. Well maybe that wont be so bad if you're taxes drop too.

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TheDoc

I wasn't aware he bought the beer with your tax dollars... see, you're simply are too stupid to even understand what's going on at the most basic level.

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Tom_PM

haha thats funny. The richest pay less as a percentage than they did 30 yrs ago and the poor pay more. The richests incomes have increased +200% over 30 yrs and the poors have remained nearly identical.. only +10%.

Stop pretending anyone above a 50 IQ buys the crap math.

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tony286

And what happened at the start of those 30 yrs? Reagan ! He killed the unions and thoroughly fucked the middle class. What the made the man great, he has the same people he fucked in the ass still asking for more. lol
Oh for the whole liberal media bullshit :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_825773.html
WASHINGTON -- Though thousands of Americans have turned out this week to show solidarity with Wisconsin's public employees and oppose a threat to their collective bargaining rights, union officials say they have not been able to place a labor voice on this Sunday's editions of the weekly public-affairs TV shows. The shows' producers, they complain, are shutting out the workers' perspective.

A union official told The Huffington Post that when none of the Sunday shows' producers reached out to them to book a labor representative this week, several unions started to pitch the shows with affected workers and local and national leaders who they felt could discuss the protests. The official said the response from the shows was essentially "thanks, but no thanks."

saucygirl

I don't bother watching the news anymore since it's truly what view they want for you to see be it left or right. However, those tea party folks are bat shit crazy but then again they painted themselves that way...Unfortunately, I know a couple of teabaggers. As far as comparing the tea party coverage versus the Wisconsin coverage makes no sense...it's apples and crazy ass oranges.

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TheDoc

Idiot, we all know if you earn an income you pay taxes... That's the point, ass stain... they aren't earning a taxable income, they aren't paying themselves through payroll, they aren't some piss ass minded business person like yourself that thinks a person buying beer on a corp card is getting an incentive.

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12clicks

Oh please, % means nothing. It's a governmental scam to get the rabble (you) on board with taking more because people have it.
I pay more in taxes per year than you earn in 10.
We get the exact same benefits but I pay more for it because you can't afford to.

So yes, the rich support a lifestyle you can't afford for yourself

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Vendzilla

Sorry, Illegals send what money they make via western union to Mexico, they pay what taxes they do to social security numbers they stole and they are a burden on the economy in welfare and school lunches and breakfasts. Less than 2% of them are picking vegetables, more are having anchor babies.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each
year.
http://tinyurl.com/zob77


2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food
stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html


4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education
for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

12clicks

And the idiot train runs off the tracks

Tell me, idiot, how is the money transferred from the Corp. To the evil elite owner?

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TheDoc

If you pay more taxes yearly, than he does in 10 years, then you've got no clue how to run a business. Straight up, if you're as wealthy as you pretend to be, you should be paying far less in taxes than he is..... actually, it makes you look pretty stupid admitting that.

I'll let you get back to pretending you have a lifestyle above any working joe.

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Vendzilla

You keep knocking Reagan, but I got my first union job in LA in Construction because of the boom in construction due to Reaganomics.
And I know you hate him, but he was so loved that his Vice president and his Vice presidents son got elected to the oval office.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

BlackCrayon

yuo should start the church of reagan.

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12clicks

Yeah, I'm the dumb one.
Shout that next time, eh sparky? It's hard to hear you down there from the bottom rung


No answer on how the evil elite get their money out of the Corp, eh?

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TheDoc

This a joke of a question or what?

Even at our piss levels, we can do this, legally... My partner owns the majority of an Intentional company, any income earned doesn't have to be reported to the IRS, legally. When I want to go on a personal vacation, I don't pay myself then pay taxes, then go pay for the vacation, which is then taxed again through sales tax... that's nuts!

You can't pay for a personal vacation through your U.S. Corp or if you owned the International corp. You'll get hammered if you do.

Short of it, I just earned an income without paying taxes.


Now... if I can do this, just think what the Elite class does, even more so when they're using YOUR tax dollars to do it. They don't even try to step around the system, they just use our money, which isn't taxable.

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TheDoc

You owe me $500 for the 10 minutes of education I just gave you... I can't believe you don't understand how business works yet you pretend to be at the top of anything... hahaha.

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saucygirl

Better yet make a dildo with Reagan's wrinkled face on it and whoever are his biggest fans can just shove Reagan's mug deep where the sun don't shine and reminisce of them good ole Reagan days.

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Vendzilla

http://www.forttumbleweed.net/reaganbaptist.html

yuo should come up with something else

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

Hey 12clicks, I thought of another...

Elite agrees to move corps to state, state gives corp tax breaks, state gives corp money to build something with, company earns profits, doesn't give tax dollars back and isn't paying hardly any taxes. Elite sets up company in CR, Elite rolls profits over from said Corp to off shore corp.

Off shore corp happens to buy a 20 million dollar house with rolled money, which it leases once a year to a celeb to make it run like a business. Now the Elite has a super house to stay in, tax free, paid for off the backbone of our tax dollars.... but being that it moved all it's money over, it's now bankrupt and needs more tax dollars to keep going.


So in the end, the elite earned 20 million on top of everything else, clean and clear, and got to come back, lay off some staff, reduce costs and got more tax dollars to keep going in the State, -BECAUSE- the state is heavily invested in them and can't afford the loss.

Like I said... nobody here, is playing at this level, even if we try to, we aren't. THEY make you think you're wealthy, THEY make you think your taxes pay the poor - SO THEY don't have to pay shit!

As long as you think the way you do - they will continue to suck us dry and get away with paying nothing.

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12clicks

Uh, if your partner is a us citizen, he'll go to jail if he gets audited. And you need to re-read your idiot post. You only managed to explain how you didn't spend money

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12clicks

Hahahaha.
It's funny watching pretenders.

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TheDoc

Clearly he's not a U.S. Citizen... or it wouldn't work.

And no shit? I said "Even at our piss levels" then gave an example, followed up with... now think of what the Elites do.

Maybe you should try reading it in the first place?

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TheDoc

I'm watching a pretender right now and laughing my ass off.

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marketsmart

god you are such a fucking idiot..

a corporation can own all types of assets, planes, homes, boats, autos..

do you know that most people that own large boats, even a small as 40-50ft often put those in a corporation and run the boat as a charter even if they do no advertising etc and write the whole business off as a loss every year...

i know you think you are so smart, but this thread shows how little you actually know and from the sound of it, you probably do your own taxes with quickbooks because if you had a decent accountant you would know a lot of this already..

also, dumbass, people dont go to jail when they get audited... they get fined that can usually be negotiated down and a lot of times it ends up being less then what the original tax burden would have been...

where did you get your education? oh, thats right, you have no education, you were a roofer...

keep embarrassing yourself troll... i need some jokes to tell the boys at my day job...








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TheDoc

So it wasn't only me then.... he really doesn't get the basics of business 101 does he? Let alone a business that actually produces, real money.....

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If the Mayans were right, there are 666 days left till the end of the world.

TheDoc

It's worth it to not have to hear the dribble from 12clicks cock holster anymore.

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12clicks

oh look! the idiots now have a quorum.
let me teach you bottom rungers that which you pretend to know.
of course a corp can own offshore property. however, thats not what your idiot partner "thedoc" is talking about. he's talking about some scary elite people who get their money tax free through corporations. That doesn't happen. its a delusion the bottom rungers run with.
also, what the corp owns is not owned by the scary elite US citizen without being taxed.
thedoc is deluded and you raced home from your day job just to post some idiocy about a corp owning property like you're some sort of msrketsmart
oh, and one more thing, dear shitstain, you get fined for avoiding taxes, you go to jail for evading taxes. (think wesley snipes, moron)

so, thedoc, just who are these scary corps funneling assets to the secret elite?
GM? microsoft?

god, its no wonder one of you washed out of adult long ago and the other is hanging on by the skin of his teeth.

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baddog

I do not know whether to laugh or cry.

_Richard_

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plu...f_trouble.html

not very much coverage on this.

TheDoc

Of course your pathetic ass would ignore the real issues in this country, well actually you're not educated enough to even know how to find them, let alone understand what you're looking at... and those problems don't blame poor people, our president, and anything that isn't on fox news.

It's not evading taxes either moron, it's legal.... but great job show your lack of business knowledge even more.

This is great, the more you open your mouth, the more you scream that you're a nobody, not that anyone ever thought you were someone.

And gm, ms, see... stain, you're so clueless - I'm done trying to educate your dumb ass, it's impossible...


I'm washed out of adult, hahahaha - coming from you, that is so comical.

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sperbonzo

This thread was never intended to be about peoples views relative to each group,(or the situation in Wisconson), but to contrast coverage of EXACTLY THE SAME ACTIVITY on both sides, and how it has been TOTALLY ignored by the mainstream media.... If you don't think that is a bad thing, then you are simply a political hack IMHO.

Even the Wall Street Journal (certainly not a right wing publication), has picked up on this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703775704576162502077564930.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_RIGHTBelowPepperandSalt#articleTabs %3Darticle



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12clicks

ah yes.
a fucking worker bee educating me.
please child, run your bullshit past one of your boss' accountants. (its obvious you don't have one)
The problem with this country is trash like you thinking you're owed something more from your betters than you already get.

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_Richard_

tea party is funded by bayer, BP, and the koch brothers

just noise, and ugly noise at that