For those worried about brain damage produced by MDMA

[kowalsky]

Friday I read a thread here. Take a look to this:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_825704.html

[Jman]

Well that depends I'm pretty sure there's TONS of xtasy and mdma that will damage your brain.

[kowalsky]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

Well that depends I'm pretty sure there's TONS of xtasy and mdma that will damage your brain.

I agree. It hard to beleive that such amount of chemical changes in the brain won´t cause any damage...

[czarina]

the guy that wrote the article was on ecstasy

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

anyone who thinks ecstasy doesn't damage you has either done too much ecstasy already, or has never hung out with a bunch of regular ecstasy users. they are basically functional retards. but fuck it, it's fun as fuck when you're rollin...

[woj]

anything in moderation

if you pop x 3x per week, it will fuck you up for sure, if you take it perhaps few times per year, you will be fine

[Scott McD]

I don't do it anywhere near as much as i used to.

Most the shit isn't as good nowadays anyway. I remember being in Ibiza a few years ago and ended up fucking wasted on 1 pill LOL...

[Buzz]

now let those researchers hit E for a month or two and see what they say then

[moeloubani]

pffft ecstasy talk to me when youve done some Charlie Sheen

“I am on a drug,” Sheen said. “It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body.”

[Dragan Dimov]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

Well that depends I'm pretty sure there's TONS of xtasy and mdma that will damage your brain.

Yes I agree they will damage your brain if you take 1, 2 or 3 xtasy per day but if you take 1 per month, that's not much scary

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Dragan Dimov

Yes I agree they will damage your brain if you take 1, 2 or 3 xtasy per day but if you take 1 per month, that's not much scary

Yeah, we all know how responsible MDMA users are...



ADG

[Machete_]

good news

[uno]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

anyone who thinks ecstasy doesn't damage you has either done too much ecstasy already, or has never hung out with a bunch of regular ecstasy users. they are basically functional retards. but fuck it, it's fun as fuck when you're rollin...

You are talking about abuse and not casual use. Also, the term we always used around nyc/nj/pa was "e-tards" to refer to the braindead who seemed to perpetually be on mdma/mdea/mda.

[Scott McD]

It's quite hard to spot somone on E.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by uno

You are talking about abuse and not casual use. Also, the term we always used around nyc/nj/pa was "e-tards" to refer to the braindead who seemed to perpetually be on mdma/mdea/mda.

Oh I think e-tard is the term used everywhere. 1

[D Ghost]

It's not the MDMA that's dangerous, it's the other stuff a pill might contain, things it was cut with.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by Dragan Dimov

Yes I agree they will damage your brain if you take 1, 2 or 3 xtasy per day but if you take 1 per month, that's not much scary

With the shit the guys mix their chemicals with you could die on 1 bad hit. I tell you some lowlife gangs would mix it with anything to get the edge on other dealers...

I done my share of drugs in the past and the way it made me trip, there's no way that's good for brain or body.

Hell I remember the purple double shot acid we use to do in highschool... LMAO that shit wasn't legit at all

[Jman]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

With the shit the guys mix their chemicals with you could die on 1 bad hit. I tell you some lowlife gangs would mix it with anything to get the edge on other dealers...

I done my share of drugs in the past and the way it made me trip, there's no way that's good for brain or body.

Hell I remember the purple double shot acid we use to do in highschool... LMAO that shit wasn't legit at all

LMAO makes you wonder who came up with the term High School

[$5 submissions]

It should not have been banned in the first place. It's a very powerful psychotherapeutic drug that allows normally selfish, self-absorbed, socially destructive individuals to feel love for others, empathy, and putting others before their selves. Isn't the latter list the goal of many religions and philosophical paths? Plus, keeping it illegal means the shit that's out there is stepped on heavily with meth and other crap.

[Bill8]

You folks will believe what you have been told to believe.

The reality is hundreds of millions of doses have been being taken over the last 30+ years, all over the planet, and there is simply no good epidemiological evidence supporting the "official" propaganda that it causes long term damage.

Where are all the brain damaged people, if it causes such damage? No study has found them.

Now, like any bioactive chemical, it has dangers, it demonstrates toxicity at high doses, it can kill you if you abuse it. It kills at a tiny fraction of the rate of alcohol, but it can kill.

But nobody has yet demonstrated measureable long term damage in real populations, the last I checked, despite hundreds of millions spent by governments trying to prove dangers.

[fatfoo]

This report says there is no brain damage. That's surprising. Better keep on a safe side and never try Ecstasy.

[TangibleAsset]

Ecstasy != MDMA

You can't press MDMA into a pill which is why it has to be cut with something that will bind. Ecstasy pills are not pure MDMA (which is what the article is about), plain and simple.

[Major (Tom)]

From exstacy i developed panic disorder, depression, fatigue etc. Im telling you 1st hand. It fucks you up.
Duke

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by SL0H0ES

Ecstasy != MDMA

You can't press MDMA into a pill which is why it has to be cut with something that will bind. Ecstasy pills are not pure MDMA (which is what the article is about), plain and simple.

All kinds of binding ingredients are used in thousands of pills we buy over the counter and consume daily.

Typically binders are ingredients like sugars, starches, and cellulose. Cheap and readily available.

Your argument makes no sense, altho presumably you think it does.

And actually you can press pure mdma into a pill just fine, altho most of the pills you will find these days do have a binding agent added, usually a commercial binder, which can be bought by the pound, but a mix of lactose, cornstarch, calcium stearate, and food coloring will do just fine, to help preserve the mdma from oxidation.

And the bottom line remains, no epidemiological studies in actual populations have found evidence of brain damage or any other adverse health effects. Look it up.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

From exstacy i developed panic disorder, depression, fatigue etc. Im telling you 1st hand. It fucks you up.
Duke

Obviously you shouldn't take it then, or abuse it, whichever you were doing.

Generally speaking, moderation is wise with all mind altering drugs.

I myself don't care for alcohol, so I dont take it, or only take it in moderation, for example. Alcohol will seriously fuck you up, has high toxicity at commonly used doses, and has an incredibly grim epidemiological profile. Fortunately, used in moderation, most people can avoid it's well known risks.

[ProG]

It gave me TMJ

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by kowalsky

I agree. It hard to beleive that such amount of chemical changes in the brain won´t cause any damage...

True. Forget about the largest scale experiment ever done in MDMA research and just go with your gut feeling.

Fuck science!

Bunch of fucking dweebs.

[TangibleAsset]

Originally Posted by Bill8

All kinds of binding ingredients are used in thousands of pills we buy over the counter and consume daily.

Typically binders are ingredients like sugars, starches, and cellulose. Cheap and readily available.

Your argument makes no sense, altho presumably you think it does.

And actually you can press pure mdma into a pill just fine, altho most of the pills you will find these days do have a binding agent added, usually a commercial binder, which can be bought by the pound, but a mix of lactose, cornstarch, calcium stearate, and food coloring will do just fine, to help preserve the mdma from oxidation.

And the bottom line remains, no epidemiological studies in actual populations have found evidence of brain damage or any other adverse health effects. Look it up.

General rule of thumb is that if you're buying MDMA it won't be in a pressed pill form it will be in capsules or just plain crystalline form. When I said pure MDMA can't be pressed I meant on its own without a binding agent, not "You can't press MDMA into a pill which is why it has to be cut with something that will bind" like I posted.

But yeah,

True. Forget about the largest scale experiment ever done in MDMA research and just go with your gut feeling.

Fuck science!

haha

[drx]

nope no brain damage here

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by SL0H0ES

General rule of thumb is that if you're buying MDMA it won't be in a pressed pill form it will be in capsules or just plain crystalline form. When I said pure MDMA can't be pressed I meant on its own without a binding agent, not "You can't press MDMA into a pill which is why it has to be cut with something that will bind" like I posted.

Back in the day we used to get these hand pressed tablets straight from the chemist. I didn't see the making, but was told it was pure mdma crystals ground to a powder in a coffee mill, with a little sugar water to make a paste, pressed into a hand made pill mold. 150 mg each, about a half inch across and an 1/8th inch thick. They came in a brown glass bottle, and were treated like a kind of sacrament.

But the best way to get it was the pure crystal by the gram. Weigh out the right dosage, wrap it in tissue paper, and wash it down with water.

It's almost too bad it was turned into a party drug, but thats the way of things.

It has the potential short term negatives of all psychedelics, including a relatively short trough of depression and alienation from the straight world and it's hypocrisy. There are a certain percentage of people that should avoid psychedelics.