czarina

I agree, AWE should pay him what is owed and then close his account, but at least pay up since they OK'd him method of advertisement

Machete_

remember when AWEmpire stole some photographers Whale photos and used in their banners?

good times

borked

I would agree if the AWE rep hadn't given the green light for him to use this tactic. Because of that, AWE should pay up in full then move him over to revshare, or cancel the account.
AWE fucked up here, not the affiliate - his email to ask for advice was very clear in stating he wanted to make 100% sure what he was doing was OK, and AWE replied it's fine as there's no policy against it.

That is where the problem lies....

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Advisor

lazycash, yes. Now (when my account terminated) I know that it's bad. But When I start company I gave link on this list to Brad. I don't know what some terms mean, therefore I don't do any that not approved first at AWE support.
When AWE support (Brad) allow me make this list, I start to do it. That's all. In screenshot I wrote all...

HighlyIntoxicated

lol nice find

cooldude7

so its like rebate/cashback ?

the Shemp

so, are you in big trouble with ebay now ...?

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cooldude7, correct
the Shemp, Yes, I should pay $189 eBay fee and should pay $400 to 4 people who won lots in last day. And I paid half of summ that AWE owed for people who won lists from my pocket. Because i trusted Brad, because he is Support. And if it said OK, I was think that OK...
Change mind - dirty play
Now some people from world thinking that I - russian scammer. Because I can't pay them. Therefore I think money comes 10 march as I saw in statistic

lazycash

I see what you're saying, however just because a program gives the green light on a certain type of promotion doesn't mean they can't retroactively convert an account from pps to revshare if the traffic from that promotion isn't profitable for them. I don't like it, but many programs have done this, its just part of the game.

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papill0n

remember the AWE wm referral bullshit ?

it just never ends with these guys

Advisor

lazycash, change mind - part of the awe game? It is Twice standarts... If I earn small money - it's ok, do it pal! If I earn big money - they convert account or terminate...
They don't convert in first period. Don't convert second... And on 3rd, when they should pay... Oh, Brad, look at this! Who agree him? You Brad? Fuck.... Let's delete his account, he is russian, he don't do anything!

"but please note that our risk management
is monitoring webmaster activities continuously from several aspects" - is it his fast action? Like hurricane! I think it because payment time approaching and whey don't wish pay.
Brad mistake. His mistake made my work. I done it. If Brad mistake give me money from his Bonus or Salary or else.
Support said me - DO it!
I done. I done 2 full period. Where is my money?

Where is my fault? Is My fault that I beleived AWE Support????

18teens

This makes AWE look very shady. Pay the man.

DangerX !!!

WTF, I didn't know that actually any traffic can convert with AWE.
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lazycash

I'm not sticking up for AWE, trust me, I've been one of their biggest critics for the last five years on this board and the only cam program I refuse to promote. I didn't mean part of the "AWE Game" as you put it, but was speaking generally about affiliate programs. If you're promoting a high pps for most programs and your traffic is unprofitable then you can expect to be converted to revshare or terminated.

I can't tell from your original email to Brad what ebay link you put in there because you blacked it out. If it was the same ebay page that you later posted, then it seems unbelievable that Brad wouldn't have told you "no" right then unless he simply didn't take the time to look at your Ebay posting.

I realize it appears you seem new to affiliate marketing, but didn't part of you ask yourself, "this seems too easy, why isn't everyone doing this?".

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qwe

i keep seeing these threads about awe, how are they still in business... they told alot of people to fuck off with the cut of lifetime revshare, that alone shows what kind of company it is... pay the guy, you told him it's ok, how can you go back on your word ?

lazycash

Yeah, but the thing I'll never forget is them passing off their "revshare program" with the implication it was lifetime revshare only to be found out months later that they were only paying for 14 days. Then even after they were outed in their own forum, they never changed the promo text of their program details to alert new webmaster signups that they were actually only offering a 14 day revshare.

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Advisor

"this seems too easy, why isn't everyone doing this?"- this words say girls when I try to take them in webcam biz. As for me - sell lists was very hard. Small part of people don't scary use Credit card and sign-up. I don't sell many lists, but I must pay a lot of fee for any.
Why I should think? I do what eligible. Not more.
Why awe should convert sales? Whey said this sales is OK. Brad made bad his work.
Yes, it is same list. I try post it now.

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lazycash

You should think because you're getting someone to pay AWE $50 and they are paying you $222, how long do you think a company can keep losing $172 for every one of your sales?

I realize some may rebuy, but generally with incentivized sales, 95% of them never make another purchase and cancel. I would even venture to guess that some of the people that took you up on your offer never even used their credits they purchased which sent a red flag to AWE.

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lazycash

Unfortunately it doesn't look like AWE is going to pay you anything and your thread title was accurate, "AWE own my money" instead of "AWE owes me money". I guess you'll just have to stiff your last 4 customers and lose your ebay account if you don't want to pay them.

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Matyko

AWE owes you nothing, this is a NO-NO method for long time. I don't even understand how you thought it will work. Lame. And now you come here and badmouth AWE. Facepalm, dude

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lazycash, Yes, maybe not many people bought second time, but why I should think about it? AWE marketing or something like it should think about it.
If I bought newmicrowave and in instructions I don't see - Don't put cat in it.
And I do it. Who must pay for it?
I my case, I called (wrote) to microwave support and ask - can I put THESE (link) cat in microwave? And they respond - Yes, Currently we have no exact policy against it, but please also check cat'S IF THEY allow it. Cat's allow!

You live in USA with laws. Whi won dispute when someone put in microwave something? I thnk this case was....
I think this info in instructions not fot fun.

Matyko, they should make first payment 10 march for 1-15 february.

lazycash, yes, ebay will fuck me if I don't pay fee and people will think that I cheater.
I lose my money, I lose reputation. I lose ebay account, because Brad made bad his work. I lose many - brad don't lose anything. AWE will continue fuck webmasters who made more than awe earn.

English not my language, I thinked title right

Ross

It all comes down to are AWE continuing to make money on the referred people, if so, then you just stole his money because you saw a get out clause. If not, you fucked up anyway by saying it wasn't against your terms but check eBay.

Either way, pay the guy out, and ask him not to do it anymore. Your guy told him it was ok but check eBay, no mention of AWE terms, your guy SHOULD have checked the terms himself and then informed the webmaster.

End of.

Advisor

Hello, Brad!
I can't enter in my account and received email that my account has been terminated. What's wrong? I don't do anything not eligible.... I'm scary...
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:36):
I do what I do everyday, but today I start test with Trafficholder...
Brad AWE ‎(01.03.2011 23:41):
May I ask your account name?
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:41):
alexas
Brad AWE ‎(01.03.2011 23:43):
our risk management investigated your account and decided to terminate it due to high risk
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:44):
risk with what? I don't see any earnings?? Oo
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:46):
maybe I can change risk down? I try to do my work best...
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:55):
Brad, are You here? I'm very scary, I was spent a lot of money for promote links and bought many different traffic...
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:14):
Brad, You no more answer for me? What should I do now?
Brad AWE ‎(02.03.2011 0:24):
Unfortunately in such cases the decision is final.
Brad AWE ‎(02.03.2011 0:24):
Please note that in case of PPS promotion we have strict requirements as the amount we pay is high
Brad AWE ‎(02.03.2011 0:24):
so we filter possible fraudulent activities regularly
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:25):
I understand. But maybe I change my working politics if You tell me... What about money?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:26):
I not do any that not eligible...
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:49):
are you busy, Brad? I receive money that I earned?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 1:24):
hello?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 12:59):
hello?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 16:07):
Brad?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 16:09):
Why You nothing tell me about my money?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 19:45):
hello>
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 22:31):
hello?

lazycash

Sorry, but I have to laugh at your microwave/cat analogy. The reason the instructions don't have anything regarding putting a cat in the microwave is because its considered "common sense" that you would know not to. As in affiliate marketing, its considered common sense to know that you can't pay people to sign up. I think both people in this instance were at fault, and that's why I feel to make it right AWE should just pay you out your revshare % and be done with it. You'd still lose a lot of money, but at least you'd get a little back.

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Advisor

lazycash, They don't write on my email and don't want do anything. They cheaters. i'm newbie, I don't know what I can make. But I have idea. I don't so smart, therefore I wrote and (read carefully) SUPPORT said - Yes, Bro, DO IT, it's OK!
In this case (newbie and not easy questions) need support in every company. If man think - maybe i don't do it... He must write in support and ask. Because support must have many more knowledges about it. If Brad sleep on work place - WHY I SHOULD thinking?? It's his work! AWE pay him salary!
Why in rules don't wrote - beginners/newbie can't work on us?
Brad approved ebay list. Brad don't read awe rules?? It's his mistake, awe must pay me, I done all my work! If it not allowed - AWE must fuck BRAD FIRST and take some his salary or don't give bonuses, because he - awe employee. Why I should pay for awe employee mistake????? Because I far far away and can't do anything? Because AWE = Betty+Adam+Dave+Brad?
I trusted this company! NO MORE! I post it everywhere I can. I have lot time and will say and write everyone that you scammers like mallick! Not better! Go fuck yourself!

marketsmart

sorry, you are wrong... if the affiliate manager ok'd it, then thats his bad, not the affiliates...

there is no such thing as a "no-no method".. all that matters is what is in the TOS..

and even then.. you know how many companies used to take my spam traffic even though they had a clear TOS against it...

pay the guy his money and move on...













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greg80

awe turned from best program online into complete pile of unconverting crap about 2 years ago

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Lamis

Why dont you go fuck youself you stupid hungary bitch?

Huh? Motherfucker...

Are you sad because you don't earn 10K per month anymore from gallery submitting and your expenses to pay food for your family are going up each day in your expensive euro living?

Caligari

So you paid 1800 to potentially make 3300? short answer- dont do that, its ridiculous. You should be able to make that kind of money by spending a few hundred bucks max on hosting-domains etc. The missing part of the equation here is that there is no work involved which usually (or eventually) goes nowhere.

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itto

imho, the underlaying question is: does the "OK" of an affiliate-manager override the general TOS of the company? ..now does it? After all, he (Advisor) asked whether he could do "this and that" and the manager (who speaks for the company) said "OK". So the affiliate proceeded to do things in good faith and now, suddenly, the company sez "no". i think thats a big fuckup.

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qwe

not to mention they're going to loose alot more then some 4g's from this exposure....

lagcam

No they won't. They won't lose anything from this. People will still continue blindly promoting them despite the reasons not to, same as always. That is why they never "do the right thing" and admit their mistakes in these threads. They don't need to.

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18teens

Bump for you to get paid.

vdbucks

This is a crock of shit and you know it...

Brad is a representative of your company, in which if this was truly a violation to your ToS, he should have said so when asked. And he did, Brad, a representative of your company, stated that AWE has nothing against it. And then Brad, a representative of your company, also referred him to check ebay's ToS.

Pay the man what you owe and be done with it... or don't and continue to contribute to, and be part of the absolute fucking garbage scum that's driving this industry to the shits.

Lamis

Dave-AWE is full of shit, I can't wait for the next convention to punch his gay ugly face.

Motherfucker. That guy really deserves to die same as AWEMPIRE as company. they are full of shit and support illegal pirating sites. They should be banned, SUED and closed. BANNED for life from this industry.

I'm sure KARMA will hit these people soon or late. they are not going to get along and run with their millions, after they ruined a whole industry.

PERIOD.

2MuchMark

AWE's TOS says that they reserve the right to terminate any account due to QUESTIONABLE Marketing practices, or SUSPECTED fowl play, links or materials not approved by AWE, etc.

They are clearly stating the risk to potential affiliates, which is honest and fair. If you do something that AWE does not like, they will close your account, period. If you think about it, there's nothing wrong with this. They are protecting themselves just as any good business should.

AWE's acquisition cost for each new customer is very high thanks to the commissions they pay, but they are betting that they can turn a profit this way by keeping each new customer for a nice long time. This bet only pays off if webmaster affiliates advertise their product in a fair and honest way to consumers. If the ads were misleading or if consumers were acquired by fishy methods, it might result in lower retention or even chargebacks, increasing AWE's risk and causing them to lose money.

For whatever the reason, AWE saw "Advisor"'s methods as too risky, and chose to close his account. Completely fair under AWE's public TOS. If you are an affiliate and you plan to market AWE in a way that might be against their TOS, you too are taking a risk.

The question then becomes this: Was Brad acting on behalf of the company when he said what "Advisor" was doing was ok? I would say yes. Should AWE payout what was owed up until the termination date? Maybe... ! It all comes down to how their TOS is worded. If their TOS says they do not payout on suspected marketing practices, then no money should be or needs to be paid out if you upload the exact wording of the TOS. If this is not mentioned anywhere, then perhaps AWE should payout anyway just to close the matter and consider it a loss.

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2MuchMark

Oops, actually I just found it:

http://www.awempire.com/terms/?pn=5

So while it may seem rotten to some, AWE clearly states that this is what they do. Perhaps Brad shouldn't have okayed it in the chat but otherwise, you're SOL.

The new new question is: Should "Advisor" be paid even though Brad said something which may be inconsistent with the policies of AWE? Or perhaps put another way, does Brad = Company?

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lagcam

They know exactly what they are doing. They know that offering the ridiculous $222 per sign up will open them up to all end of attempted scams and abuse but they don't care because they don't need to prove "fraud" and affiliates have no recourse.

Whilst in this case the involvement of a lazy affiliate rep gives the hope that maybe they will pay out, reality is that they will not, and Adviser would be well advised to research a program's history of non payment before attempting again what let's face it was always an accident waiting to happen.

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papill0n

they are involved with chickens now???

vdbucks

Brad is a representative of AWE, and as such, he knows AWE's ToS, or at least damn well should. From the looks of it, part of brad's responsibilities is affiliate support.

An affiliate asked him a question whether or not his methods were against AWE's ToS. Brad said no.

AWE closed his account and are refusing to pay this affiliate after he was given the green light.

So what we can deduce from this is

A. Brad is an idiot and needs to be fired for not knowing the ToS of the company he works for.

B. Brad is a scumbag and purposely told this affiliate that he could use those methods, knowing the affiliate would be banned and funds withheld.

And regardless of whether those tactics are frowned upon in the industry, regardless if they aren't allowed, he asked Brad whether or not he could use them and was told yes.

You can twist this situation however you want, point fingers at some not so clear sentence in the ToS and use it as an out, or try to place blame on the affiliate... but the fact of the matter is this is on AWE. Had their rep not told him it was ok, then that would be a different story; but because he did, they need to settle up.

oldbrad

Originally Posted by Dave-AWE
This is what I see in Brad's email:
"Currently we have no exact policy against it, but please also check.."

"also" refers to eBay terms and AWE terms, which are clearly displayed on AWEmpire.com. Please send me an email if you would like further clarification.

Bullshit Dave.

It is obvious that the "also" means in addition to the check he did by contacting Brad. Your company made the mistake. Change your terms, train your staff or fire Brad. But this guy needs to get paid.

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buzzard

X2.
Moreover, this is a Russian webmaster not fluent in English, Working His Ass Off. Above and beyond spending money on it... to bring sales to AWE; All based on trust to his affiliate manager, whom he relied on heavily.

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glowlite

The "missing part" here is your lack of understanding ROI.

glowlite

Maybe "Brad" gets a 50% recovery fee for outing suspected fraud ??
Incentive

Brad = Dave-AWE ??
Incentive

Advisor spoke out, how many others haven't ??
I'm betting AWE wishes they had a 1000 people like Advisor.
A few hundred here, a few hundred there, it really does add up.

lazycash

Lol, nice catch.

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lazycash

"For whatever the reason" I think its plainly obvious what the reason is, he was paying people to sign up. Problem though is, since AWE doesn't have anything in their TOS about affiliates incentivizing sales, he actually didn't violation any of their terms. They are the only high pps sponsor I've seen that doesn't address sales incentivization in their TOS. The part of their TOS that addresses terminating an account for any reason is just a catchall to protect their ass should they want to close an account even if it hasn't directly violated a specific part of their terms.

Brad was lazy and didn't take the time to try and understand the initial email and look at the listing as it should have been plainly obvious that AWE didn't want that kind of traffic. Either pay him out what is owed and close his account or at the very least retroactively convert him to revshare and leave his account open for possible residual sales.

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Matt 26z

This is actually one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted to GFY, and that is saying an awful lot.

You have two choices:

A) Admit that the affiliate rep fucked up and pay the man his money.

B) Pay him after 30 pages of bad publicity since this thread will never die.

The correct answer is obvious, but you guys are the clowns of the industry so I guess we are headed to page 30.

ThumbLord

bump so we can get to page 30 asap

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