Guess who thinks its unconstitutional to attack another country without Congressional approval?

[Machete_]

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

-Sen. Obama, 2007

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...11/03/18/libya

[Martin]

I thought this was going to be a Ron Paul thread.

[cykoe6]

Obama lied and people died.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Machete_

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

-Sen. Obama, 2007

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...11/03/18/libya

Define "imminent threat" please! Very subjective term isn't it?

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Jake

Define "imminent threat" please! Very subjective term isn't it?

use your fucking brain

do you think Muammar Gaddafi is ANY threat to the US nation?

[Seth Manson]

He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

Nato scam has nothing to do with the constitution of the United States. Unless of course, nato is included in our constitution.

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

USA are WAR Criminals... FACT!

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

Neither NATO nor the UN supersede our constitution. They can all vote on whatever they want to, but it doesn't affect what you need to do here, in the US, prior to acts which constitutionally require congressional approval.

For example, just because a bunch of countries voted for the Kyoto treaty, it STILL had to be ratified by congress.


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[Sly]

Originally Posted by Seth Manson

He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

NATO can't force a member nation to do something that they don't want to do. The Iraq and Afghanistan War are pretty good examples of that.

[BJ]

lay off dude he's in Brazil securing plane tickets for the world cup

[sperbonzo]

And later in that same article, Hilary Clinton is quoted as saying (also in 2007):

"The President has the solemn duty to defend our Nation. If the country is under truly imminent threat of attack, of course the President must take appropriate action to defend us. At the same time, the Constitution requires Congress to authorize war. I do not believe that the President can take military action -- including any kind of strategic bombing -- against Iran without congressional authorization. "


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[cykoe6]

Impeach the the war criminal Obamahitler noooowwwww!!!!!! Say no to illegal wars!!!! Noooooo blooooodddddd for oooooooiiiiiiilllllllllllll!!!!!!!!

[David!]

No questions that Qaddafi is a murdering scum bag, from the time he took power to the UTA and Pan Am flights and to the current situation. But why the selective outrage over Libya and not over Yemen and Bahrain? And what about Iran and the 5 to 20 executions a day there for such grave offenses as being gay or being raped and bringing shame to their family, but yet not a peep from the international community.

Or yet again, the Ivory Coast President lost the elections but refuses to go and is killing people by the dozens pretty much every day, where is the international community?

It seems pretty strange that the UK and France that were real bed fellows with Qaddafi are in such a hurry to take him out. Poor Qaddafi must be thinking why the international community did not act in such haste with Saddam? Maybe the UK and France want to make sure know one knows about all of the shady deals they had with Libya...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by MCO_David

No questions that Qaddafi is a murdering scum bag, from the time he took power to the UTA and Pan Am flights and to the current situation. But why the selective outrage over Libya and not over Yemen and Bahrain? And what about Iran and the 5 to 20 executions a day there for such grave offenses as being gay or being raped and bringing shame to their family, but yet not a peep from the international community.

Or yet again, the Ivory Coast President lost the elections but refuses to go and is killing people by the dozens pretty much every day, where is the international community?

It seems pretty strange that the UK and France that were real bed fellows with Qaddafi are in such a hurry to take him out. Poor Qaddafi must be thinking why the international community did not act in such haste with Saddam? Maybe the UK and France want to make sure know one knows about all of the shady deals they had with Libya...

I was thinking this same exact thing earlier this morning... why Britain and France were so jumpy on issuing a no-fly. Particularly France. I'm not very familiar with French politics but I was wondering if geography played a part in it. They are fairly close together, is France afraid of even more Africans flooding in?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Machete_

use your fucking brain

do you think Muammar Gaddafi is ANY threat to the US nation?

Ask the families of the victims Pan-Am Flight 103.

[David!]

Originally Posted by Sly

I was thinking this same exact thing earlier this morning... why Britain and France were so jumpy on issuing a no-fly. Particularly France. I'm not very familiar with French politics but I was wondering if geography played a part in it. They are fairly close together, is France afraid of even more Africans flooding in?

Actually, there is a story in French newspaper about Qaddafi and supposedly money sent to Sarkozy in his 2008 Presidential campaign.
I don't think France is worried about Libyan flooding in, they are more concerned about Tunisians and Algerians. Plus Libya used to be Italians in the old days...



http://allafrica.com/stories/201103210015.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1239...ance-libya.htm

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Impeach the the war criminal Obamahitler noooowwwww!!!!!! Say no to illegal wars!!!! Noooooo blooooodddddd for oooooooiiiiiiilllllllllllll!!!!!!!!

did bush get impeached for invading iraq? nope. i don't see it happening

[V_RocKs]

Without a country like the US doing what it is doing in Libya a country like the US wouldn't exist.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

did bush get impeached for invading iraq? nope. i don't see it happening

But congress half assed give him the slightest hit of authorization. Unlike right now where there was ZERO debate.

[Brujah]

keyword: unilaterally

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

But congress half assed give him the slightest hit of authorization. Unlike right now where there was ZERO debate.

well they said it was an emergency action. and china, russia didn't veto it

[spazlabz]

this thread made me LOL
constitution OMFG!

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Brujah

keyword: unilaterally

Please explain. Are we bombing the rebels as well?

[Peace]

stop killing people....

[SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

did bush get impeached for invading iraq? nope. i don't see it happening

Exactly... US are the biggest Terrorist war criminals in the history.

We have convinced the world we can kill you, your mother and her sister and you can do nothing about it!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

Exactly... US are the biggest Terrorist war criminals in the history.

We have convinced the world we can kill you, your mother and her sister and you can do nothing about it!

this shit needs to change. we need to get the people that support war out of office.

[EZRhino]

Originally Posted by SDA CASH

USA are WAR Criminals... FACT!

You are a Fuck Tard ........ FACT!