I have the solution to start making money with/from porn again.

[DVTimes]

I had an idea today for websites to start making money again.

Rather than have the content on the website, simply do a subscription service for blu-ray porn films.

The idea is this, the customer subscribes for a monthley subscription as they do now.

But rather than access to the site, they get a blu-ray disc with that months film on it. plus extas (such as a few pics, an interview with the model and so on).

The advantage is, the customer no loger joins your site, downloads everything in an hour then uploads it to tubes. your not spending cash on servers.

now my thought is, you could burn a batch of disks each month, but each disk would have the customers name and address printed onto the disk, and also digitaly into the film. this means he.she is not lickly to sell there copy, nor copy it as there details would be on it. even if they uploaded it to a tube site all you need do is scan the film to see who owned the disc, and send them a bill for $90,000 (or whatever).

As the disc is monthly, they are likly to stay members for a long time.

they could order back copies but only if they are a subscriber.

affiliates would send customers to the site in the same way.

with more and more people getting large plasma tv's, i could see this as a better option.

in truth i think i would subscribe to a monthly blu-ray disc.

these days there are some great websites producing great content. but often i find it a shame its only a tiny and only on a pc screen.

[carzygirls]

Problems are these... and this isn't all of them:

1) Surfers like free porn.
2) Surfers don't wan't something porn in the mail.

Need to revisit the thought imo

[Agent 488]

great idea feel like i'm at a brainstorming session in Steve Job's garage in the 70s.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

Problems are these... and this isn't all of them:

1) Surfers like free porn.
2) Surfers don't wan't something porn in the mail.

Need to revisit the thought imo

I am not sure your right.

Playboy and other mags sold by subscrition.

People collected the mags.

Its a real thing to hold. so is a disc.

while they do like free stuff, i do not think you get the same quality on a tube site as a blu-ray.

plus you just pop the disc in and pow, hight def porn on your tv.

[FlexxAeon]

sounds kind of ass backwards and 2000ish to me (no offense)

might as well just spend the time/money protecting & restricting your downloads & streams. some sites already do the 'customer info branding' on their streaming vids. plus the customer gets insta-gratification instead of having to wait for a disk. plus seller doesn't have to worry about overhead of custom, personalized disk replication

[DBS.US]

Something like GirlsGoneWild did?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

sounds kind of ass backwards and 2000ish to me (no offense)

might as well just spend the time/money protecting & restricting your downloads & streams. some sites already do the 'customer info branding' on their streaming vids. plus the customer gets insta-gratification instead of having to wait for a disk. plus seller doesn't have to worry about overhead of custom, personalized disk replication

no probs.

but i do not think there is any cost.

you can simply write direct onto the disc with a pen, or use a printer.

to be honest if it was me i would write on the disc using a pen. ok if you are sending out hundreds its a pain.

in truth that side of things is not important as most people would not re-sell the disc. but if you can get the address into the film file then that would help prevent them making copies and selling as they know they will get found out.

[L-Pink]

Make sure you send some to the Polk County Sheriff here in Florida.


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[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

no probs.

but i do not think there is any cost.

you can simply write direct onto the disc with a pen, or use a printer.

to be honest if it was me i would write on the disc using a pen. ok if you are sending out hundreds its a pain.

in truth that side of things is not important as most people would not re-sell the disc. but if you can get the address into the film file then that would help prevent them making copies and selling as they know they will get found out.

well you gotta buy the disks = $
you gotta render every disk with its unique watermark = time = $
write on every disk = time = $

etc

writing on disks isn't very pro either. these aren't rap demos this is product you're selling

[Jakez]

There is and will never be money in porn again, just give up.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Make sure you send some to the Polk County Sheriff here in Florida.


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[DVTimes]

there is advantages over blu-ray than online.

such as the firm could do different angels so people can switch quick.

online 3d looks rubbish, but on a blu-ray its probably watchabel.

as i say each moth you can have extras. i think it would be cool to have interviews with the models. even show a fiolm of the porn film being shot.

i just think if somone subscribes to the discs, they are likly to stay members for years.

[Agent 488]

this decade has shown that if you bet on the free you won. of you didn't, you lost. this is a prime example of the latter.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

well you gotta buy the disks = $
you gotta render every disk with its unique watermark = time = $
write on every disk = time = $

etc

writing on disks isn't very pro either. these aren't rap demos this is product you're selling

blank discs are not expensive.

you can buy a disc burner that does several at a time. you can do these in the background while your doing other stuff such as editing the pics.

you do not need to right on the discs as most people would keep the discs anyway and not re-sell.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

this decade has shown that if you bet on the free you won. of you didn't, you lost. this is a prime example of the latter.

then in that case you may as well give up and say lets not bother with sites or porn full stop.

[Agent 488]

betamax tapes are even harder to upload to the tubes than cds.

[B.Barnato]

when pressure builds in pants it must be releast NOW

not when postman arrive...

[Stef.]

we prefer news report from you. at least we can avoid them.
now i'm in and regret it because the title was catchy but now i wonder : To LOL or not to LOL? ... I hope the next replies will save my time...
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[slapass]

People are going to tell you why you can't do it until you do it. Most people would not know a good idea if it bit them. I think it has merit but then also what do I know. Do it and see how it works. You can do it on an average PC until you know if it is taking off then scale up.

[pornguy]

Mailing porn across state lines can be tricky as well.

[ahoy]

Is this for real? This is a giant leap backwards in content distribution, which is the beauty of tubes.

[BJ]

Thank god there are so many mentally handicapped people working on the internet, makes things much easier for the rest of us.

[badpuma]

Couples prefer the TV setup at home over the computer.

[kane]

You have a lot of hurdles to overcome here.

1. mailing porn to many places can be very tricky. There are people who have gone to jail for that so you will need some solid legal help to make sure you are squared away.

2. porn is by and large an impulse buy. I see a girl that gets me hard, I join a site because I want to jackoff to movies of her getting railed in the ass. Having to wait a 1-3 weeks for a DVD to get to me in the mail could kill my hardon.

3. Startup costs. If you are going to shoot exclusive content you will need a pretty good amount of of and that is not cheap to produce. If you are going to go with non-exclusive, most of that (save that from some niches) is available for free on the tube sites. Sure, it isn't Blu Ray, but it is free. Even if it is not free and you would have to pay to watch it, you would need to make a pretty good argument as to why I should wait for the blu ray in the mail as opposed to getting access now.

4. you could do a hybrid. Give them access to DVD quality content in the site and also send them the content on Blu Ray. This way you now offer something others are not and those who are looking for instant gratification can get it then in a few weeks they get the disc in the mail and get to check it out in that format.

Not trying to slam, just giving my thoughts. Good luck with the project.

[INever]

You could sell the models used underwear and socks. Safer than porn across state lines. I like your behind the scenes and extras ideas. Maybe you can stream the movie to protect against average joe pirates.

[Look Chang]

There are a lot of countries where porn is "officially" illegal and where it would be risky to receive porn by post

[AdultKing]

No offence, but this is the silliest idea I have heard in years.

Mail order videos and DVD's died in our country years ago.

People wont wait, porn is an impulse buy online, you would just dismember what is left of the golden goose.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by kane

2. porn is by and large an impulse buy. I see a girl that gets me hard, I join a site because I want to jackoff to movies of her getting railed in the ass. Having to wait a 1-3 weeks for a DVD to get to me in the mail could kill my hardon.

A 3 week hardon in anticipation of the DVD arriving would do you some serious damage

[DVTimes]

ii think there is a market for it.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

ii think there is a market for it.

Do it then.

[redwhiteandblue]

[Paul Markham]

If it's great porn you will sell it month after month. If it's crap porn you will sell it once.

AND. You do know it's illegal to sell porn via the mail in te UK don't you?

Well I guess you don't. LOL

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

Exactly. He's a fucking idiot and you know it. You know he won't do a fucking thing about it either.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

No offence, but this is the silliest idea I have heard in years.

Mail order videos and DVD's died in our country years ago.

People wont wait, porn is an impulse buy online, you would just dismember what is left of the golden goose.

Which is why DVD companies, well some of them, can afford to spend so much on their product.

Because the impulse hits the guy every month to buy the next DVD from wicked, Vivid, Evil Angel, etc.

If porn is an impulse buy, porn would of been dead decades ago. It's built on repeat buyers buying monthly or weekly.

http://banapro.com/admin/admin-sets-paysite.php This will explain it better.

[CaptainHowdy]

links pulled

[woj]

this would have been a great idea 10 years ago...

[ravo]

Ahh, doesn't CECash already have a program like this? UWatchDVDs. Or, am I missing something?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If it's great porn you will sell it month after month. If it's crap porn you will sell it once.

AND. You do know it's illegal to sell porn via the mail in te UK don't you?

Well I guess you don't. LOL

i do know.

though your not 100% correct.

Its legal to sell 18 films via mail, or should i say postal servises as the royal mail has seperate laws about what you can send via it.

but any film has to be through the film sensors.

however its legal to send porn into the uk from outside the uk.

but you are correct. this method would not work for uk unless you have some outside uk system for sending the films.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by woj

this would have been a great idea 10 years ago...

no

the reason it works better now is that ten years ago there was not the amoutnt of free porn on the web.

or should i say there was not all your sites free on the web.

today i can type 'free porn forum' or 'porn tube' into google and the top links will have sites full of your sites content.

in other words every time you publish your content to your site, five mins later its downloaded and posted to lots and lots of sites.

my idea means thats not going to happen.

10 years ago people did not download your content in five mins then leave.

if you think its a bad idea. thats fine. keep spending money on content and keep letting everyone re-post it.

then keep wondering why sales are down.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

no

the reason it works better now is that ten years ago there was not the amoutnt of free porn on the web.

or should i say there was not all your sites free on the web.

today i can type 'free porn forum' or 'porn tube' into google and the top links will have sites full of your sites content.

in other words every time you publish your content to your site, five mins later its downloaded and posted to lots and lots of sites.

my idea means thats not going to happen.

10 years ago people did not download your content in five mins then leave.

if you think its a bad idea. thats fine. keep spending money on content and keep letting everyone re-post it.

then keep wondering why sales are down.

What is going to stop someone uploading the porn you send them to the tubes, rapidshare, megaporn etc?

Exactly like they are doing with the online and offline stuff now.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by TheDA

What is going to stop someone uploading the porn you send them to the tubes, rapidshare, megaporn etc?

Exactly like they are doing with the online and offline stuff now.

as i said you would digitaly put there deatails into the file. so if they did you would know who did it and could send them a bill for $10,000 or whatever. plus they are less lickly to do this if they know people will be abel to see there address.

on top of this i would not think the quality would be as good as the blu-ray.

as such its like when you see a film clip on you tube, or even the full film. if you like it you may go buy the real copy as you want the film.

i have seen a few films on you tube that i purchased as i thought they were great. i would not have bought otherwise.

and remeber they will only have that film not all your films to upload. by this i mean now they join your site and in a day can download all your content. the worst thing somone will a film can to is upload that vid. and if you catch them you can cancell there subscription so they do not get any more films. so they are limited to what they can upload.

[Wizzo]

LOL, this has fail written all over it, even Netflix who built their business on delivering DVDs through the mail has said it will stop in the near future because its outdated. Now granted that's mainstream, but why should I wait 3days for a dvd when I have instant download on my computer?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by TheDA

What is going to stop someone uploading the porn you send them to the tubes, rapidshare, megaporn etc?

Exactly like they are doing with the online and offline stuff now.

its also easer to upload from your site.

the quality remains the same too.

but to upload from a blu ray means converting it to a different format.

also they need to have a blu-ray on the pc, which i suspect most people only have a dvd on it.

and at the start of the film you can put the same copyright message that big films do.

of course its possible to edit it all out. but this means fewer people who would bother or risk it.

plus it would be easer for sites to share info about people who upload. as soon as a pirated film is found and the details of the owner are taken, all sites need to do is email all other sites to warn them. making it almost impossible for these people to sign up.

[Wizzo]

Plus if want to watch HD porn on my TV it's right on my on-demand menu, we run 9 channels of quality HD porn, no disc or wait required...

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

as i said you would digitaly put there deatails into the file. so if they did you would know who did it and could send them a bill for $10,000 or whatever. plus they are less lickly to do this if they know people will be abel to see there address.

on top of this i would not think the quality would be as good as the blu-ray.

as such its like when you see a film clip on you tube, or even the full film. if you like it you may go buy the real copy as you want the film.

i have seen a few films on you tube that i purchased as i thought they were great. i would not have bought otherwise.

and remeber they will only have that film not all your films to upload. by this i mean now they join your site and in a day can download all your content. the worst thing somone will a film can to is upload that vid. and if you catch them you can cancell there subscription so they do not get any more films. so they are limited to what they can upload.

So you don't think that the details can be removed from the film like they do with watermarks and encryption now?

You won't be able to track what film came from what subscriber using that method. So who do you block from buying more films.

These guys work in a network, it's a lot bigger than just one guy uploading all of your content.

Once it is uploaded once, it is there for everyone to download and upload to other services again and again and again.

As far as quality goes, the blue ray can be uploaded and downloaded again without any noticable degradation in quality. I can download full, HD and blue ray quality stuff now.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

LOL, this has fail written all over it, even Netflix who built their business on delivering DVDs through the mail has said it will stop in the near future because its outdated. Now granted that's mainstream, but why should I wait 3days for a dvd when I have instant download on my computer?

we are not talking about the customewr selecting a film.

the difference is they subscribe and they get that months dvd. they can of course back order if they are current members.

ie, if a customer join, and say pays $20 a month.

He loves the films but wants all.

your back order could be 50 or more discs. over time he buys the lot. but he stays a member for years.

he is happy as he has a real product for his money.

you make huge profit.

your affiliates make huge profit.

to be honest i am seeing this from 3 sides, website owner, affiliate and custermer.

its like getting playboy mag each month. your not sure whats going to be in that month, but you look forward to it. and you collect them.

big budget firms can add all sorts of extras such as games, interviews, even non porn stuff such as a look at cars. you can realy pad it out.

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

its also easer to upload from your site.

the quality remains the same too.

but to upload from a blu ray means converting it to a different format.

also they need to have a blu-ray on the pc, which i suspect most people only have a dvd on it.

and at the start of the film you can put the same copyright message that big films do.

of course its possible to edit it all out. but this means fewer people who would bother or risk it.

plus it would be easer for sites to share info about people who upload. as soon as a pirated film is found and the details of the owner are taken, all sites need to do is email all other sites to warn them. making it almost impossible for these people to sign up.

All converting can be done on the fly if required.

Copyright message means fuck all to the serious uploaders.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Plus if want to watch HD porn on my TV it's right on my on-demand menu, we run 9 channels of quality HD porn, no disc or wait required...

1. not everyone can access it.

2. the films wioll provide more nich product. its somthing you keep. can play when you want. where you want.

3. its a real product. its like having a record over an mp3 file. i am more than happy to buy a record, but i see no value in buing a mp3 file. a record is somthing i keep, look after. an mp3 is nothing.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by TheDA

All converting can be done on the fly if required.

Copyright message means fuck all to the serious uploaders.

correct.

but remeber they only have 1 film. worst case is they upload your film.

if they join your site they upload your whole site.

so while its sucks having a film uploaded, its only a film, and not all your site.

i suspect its for less likly they would bother.

its much easer for these people to join your site, blag there address, may even use a stolen card, access your site and dump it all on tubes.

but if they are getting your blu-rays it means a real address. thats the last thing a criminal would want to give out.

in other words a much higher risk for next to no reward.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

its like getting playboy mag each month. your not sure whats going to be in that month, but you look forward to it. and you collect them.

How's that working out for them? I understand your point but I think your talking about a very small niche market of people that want to collect a bunch of porn, most people just want to watch, get off, and move on...

[TheDA]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

correct.

but remeber they only have 1 film. worst case is they upload your film.

if they join your site they upload your whole site.

so while its sucks having a film uploaded, its only a film, and not all your site.

i suspect its for less likly they would bother.

its much easer for these people to join your site, blag there address, may even use a stolen card, access your site and dump it all on tubes.

but if they are getting your blu-rays it means a real address. thats the last thing a criminal would want to give out.

in other words a much higher risk for next to no reward.

You are talking about one guy having one film and uploading it.

A business like this isn't based on 1 guy or even a handful of customers.

Each film can be uploaded, easily. It doesn't have to be the same guy.