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Old 05-23-2011, 08:42 AM   #1
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Ex-Marine Shot 70 Times by SWAT Team

Seventy-one rounds of ammo were unloaded in seven second on Jose Guerena, an ex-Marine who served two tours of Iraq.
The gunfire wasn?t unleashed by insurgents from opposing military forces, however. The 60 bullets that entered Guerena?s body were fired by an Arizona SWAT team as Guerena?s wife Vanessa and their four-year-old son Juan hid in a closet at around 9:30 am on a Thursday morning. It happened only earlier this month in their Tuscon, Arizona-area home.
According to police, the Guerena residence was targeted in an investigation surrounding home invasions and drug rip-offs. Police says their house was among those ?identified as locations where these activities were being carried out from.? What hard evidence they have for this has not been disclosed.
What we do know, more or less, is that Vanessa heard noises and saw a man outside their window on the morning of May 5. She woke her husband up, who then grabbed a rifle and walked toward the kitchen. There he was shot dozens of times within the mere moments after. Guerena?s possession of the AR-15 was completely legal and it was never fired.
What followed immediately was a poorly-handed 911 call dialed by Mrs. Guerena as she watched her husband grunt on the ground in front of his family, gasping his last breaths of life. She pled with the emergency operators to send help for five minutes while they deemed her ?hysterical.? Once they did arrive, it was an hour and 14 minutes before EMTs were allowed access to the wounded Guerena; the SWAT team wouldn?t allow them near.
Mrs. Guerena is now widowed and her two children, Jose and Joel, will enter the first grade without a father.
?I never thought he could be killed by police after he served his country," Vanessa Guerena says.
"We were so worried when he was over there fighting terrorism, but he gets shot in his own home," says Reyna Ortiz, a family relative, to ABC News. "The government killed one of their own."
In the days since the shooting, the Pima County Sheriff?s Department has changed their story several times. First Guerena fired a weapon; then he didn?t. As of May 19, the Sheriff?s Department has remained relatively mum on what was seized from the home and why they were there in the first place. The latest out of their department was a scold against the media?for ?questioning the legality? of the shooting.
Originally police attested that Guerena fired a gun. Further investigations reveal that his rifle was locked in safety mode and that his single shot was actually just an initial misfire from a deputy?s gun. They claim to have removed body armor from the home, but as the lawyer representing the Guerena estate says, there was nothing in the house warranting a raid, let alone opening fire.
Guerena family attorney Christopher Scileppi says the pieces don?t fit. ?They found nothing in the house that was illegal," he says. Disallowing medical attention was "nonsense," Scileppi says, noting that an ambulance was on the scene in minutes but Guerena remained unattended for another hour.
?I think it was poor planning, overreaction and now they're trying to CYA," says Scileppi, referencing the professional (mis)practice of ?covering your ass? in an effort to protect oneself after an unfavorable aftermath.
And while PCSD officials have yet to provide a legitimate and logical reason for the execution of Mr. Guerena, it is only a sampling of an injustice and unnecessary use of excessive force by SWAT teams?an epidemic that is happening daily around America yet rarely reported.
A Buffalo, NY man was woken up by authorities with assault weapons drawn last month, allegedly for downloading child pornography. While he laid on his floor and was chastised by officials?called a creep and blatantly accused of crimes he did not commit?he remained clueless. They had the wrong guy. In 2008, a resident of Berwyn Heights, MD was interrogated in his underwear in his home for several hours after he brought a FedEx package containing marijuana?and addressed to his wife?into his home. The SWAT team shot both his dogs. The accused?Cheye Calvo?was the mayor of the town.

In a 2006 book from Reason Magazine? Radley Balko, he says, "There's an old Cold War saying commonly attributed to Winston Churchill?that goes, 'Democracy means that when there's a knock on the door at 3 a.m., it's probably the milkman.' The idea is that free societies don't send armed government agents dressed in black to raid the private homes of citizens for political crimes."
Regardless, in the ?freest country in the world,? raids like these are becoming more and more commonplace. In Guerena?s case, unfortunately, an American hero was executed in his own home for no good reason.

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Old 05-23-2011, 08:46 AM   #2
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This was so sad and has caused quite the stir in Tucson. Fucked up to say the least.
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:49 AM   #4
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But why am I not surprised?
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:51 AM   #5
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"to protect and serve"... yeah right...
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:54 AM   #6
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Doesn't surprise me either..
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But why am I not surprised?
Same here. What does surprise me is that there are still people out there that will defend the cops and their actions. "But they're not all bad... " yeah right. Some of them are scum and the rest of them are equally bad because they cover up the crimes committed by their colleagues.
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Yeah that happened here in Tucson. The same shitheads that raided my house roughly 6 months ago, all on charges that had zero relation to me.

I have assault rifles in my house and had I been home there is a good chance I would have also went for one of my guns had they not made me very aware they were the police. I had run to the store, came home to my entire street blocked off, they ripped me out of my car, arrested me, etc. In the end I had nothing to do with it, they thought I was responsible for a string of 5 bank robberies even though I looked nothing like the guy.

The Cops/SWAT here are a bunch of assholes and shady as all hell in my opinion. They tore my house apart and interrogated me for hours. Even once they knew I was innocent they left my house all fucked up, didn't fix my front door for over a month, etc. Come to find out they had been following me for a week, questioning neighbors, bank tellers, etc etc.
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Yeah that happened here in Tucson. The same shitheads that raided my house roughly 6 months ago, all on charges that had zero relation to me.

I have assault rifles in my house and had I been home there is a good chance I would have also went for one of my guns had they not made me very aware they were the police. I had run to the store, came home to my entire street blocked off, they ripped me out of my car, arrested me, etc. In the end I had nothing to do with it, they thought I was responsible for a string of 5 bank robberies even though I looked nothing like the guy.

The Cops/SWAT here are a bunch of assholes and shady as all hell in my opinion. They tore my house apart and interrogated me for hours. Even once they knew I was innocent they left my house all fucked up, didn't fix my front door for over a month, etc. Come to find out they had been following me for a week, questioning neighbors, bank tellers, etc etc.

Damn ..........
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:34 AM   #11
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Shot 70 times and they wouldnt let the paramedics inside because they didnt know if he was dead. So that means if they had only known that he was dead, they'd have let the paramedics inside. Pure awesome.

They're calling it a success because he owned things that were legal to own. And a judge signed off on this warrant. People just jot down names and remember at voting time. What else can you do? Connect the dots back to an elected official and vote against them. Or move away.
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tucson sucks its a big version of mesa looks like shit
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That's about right. Takes seventy shots to take down a US Marine.
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The big airplane graveyard there is cool tho .......
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cops are here to protect us, they wouldn't lie to us. If you think the cops are lying you must be a muslim loving terrorist who hates america. period end of story.
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That story is tragic and needs to be told.

And stOned, wow. It's hard to believe they could get away with that. How could they be so wrong if they'd been following you around for a week and questioning people that know you? Did you get any compensation from this?

And for more to be concerned with... recently the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that a man within his own home could not resist even the unlawful entry of police and could be criminally prosecuted for resisting the unlawful break-in.

AND in the news just this morning......
This week, the House begins debate on a defense spending bill that would authorize the president to attack al-Qaida and its associates all over the world.



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The big airplane graveyard there is cool tho .......
Yeah it is pretty cool. Davis Monthan has a ton of planes sitting out in the fields. Apparently all of them could be ready to fly within 30 minutes or so.

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That story is tragic and needs to be told.

And stOned, wow. It's hard to believe they could get away with that. How could they be so wrong if they'd been following you around for a week and questioning people that know you? Did you get any compensation from this?

And for more to be concerned with... recently the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that a man within his own home could not resist even the unlawful entry of police and could be criminally prosecuted for resisting the unlawful break-in.

AND in the news just this morning......
This week, the House begins debate on a defense spending bill that would authorize the president to attack al-Qaida and its associates all over the world.



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Yeah, someone sure didn't do their job. To think it was me in the first place (I have no felonies, nothing relating to bank robberies), then to follow me for a week and STILL think it is me. Not only did they embarrass me in front of my entire neighborhood but also all of the places they followed me to and questioned those I work with.

I had planned to hit them with a lawsuit but didn't want to throw any money at an already shitty situation. I tried to find an attorney to do it for a percentage but none would take the case since it didn't involve police brutality.

But yeah, I am not a criminal, make an honest living, etc. They just barged into my life with no grounds for doing so. Thank god my kids were not home at the time.
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Just fuck the police... these type of cases are many!!
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they should have brought in another marine to do the job...one shot, one kill. they could have saved 69 rounds.
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The article on WND blames Obama... never knew he was a SWAT member.
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old tucson is ok.
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clearly society would be much better without police. this case proves that.
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That story is tragic and needs to be told.

And stOned, wow. It's hard to believe they could get away with that. How could they be so wrong if they'd been following you around for a week and questioning people that know you? Did you get any compensation from this?

And for more to be concerned with... recently the Indiana Supreme Court ruled that a man within his own home could not resist even the unlawful entry of police and could be criminally prosecuted for resisting the unlawful break-in.

AND in the news just this morning......
This week, the House begins debate on a defense spending bill that would authorize the president to attack al-Qaida and its associates all over the world.



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declaration of war on the world?
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Yeah that happened here in Tucson. The same shitheads that raided my house roughly 6 months ago, all on charges that had zero relation to me.

I have assault rifles in my house and had I been home there is a good chance I would have also went for one of my guns had they not made me very aware they were the police. I had run to the store, came home to my entire street blocked off, they ripped me out of my car, arrested me, etc. In the end I had nothing to do with it, they thought I was responsible for a string of 5 bank robberies even though I looked nothing like the guy.

The Cops/SWAT here are a bunch of assholes and shady as all hell in my opinion. They tore my house apart and interrogated me for hours. Even once they knew I was innocent they left my house all fucked up, didn't fix my front door for over a month, etc. Come to find out they had been following me for a week, questioning neighbors, bank tellers, etc etc.
damn, that's fucked up...
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