Interesting stats and a good reminder

[Shap]

I was just reading fast company magazine and these stats stood out

Difference in people using email from 2009 to 2010
Seniors up 28%
teens down 59%

89% of all email sent is spam

Facebook users in 2004 1mil
In 2010 600 million

Aol users in 2004 23 million
In 2010 4 million

Whatever is hot today can quickly be replaced especially if the functionalty of it is replaced with something less annoying or more user friendly. I would guess most teens are communicating over social networks because there is far less hassle. No spam, no junk, no remembering an email addy. Yesterday when the sale was announced more than twice as many contacted me by fb msg over email.

There is always opportunity and now more than ever you can get a project to 1 million users faster than ever and you can drop back to zero faster than ever. You have to stay sharp.

It will be interesting to see if tubes evolve or if they stay stagnant the way paysites did.

[Agent 488]

no one has ever done "social" right in adult. if someone could get that right, traffic would shift.

what was the biggest adult site in 2002? 2005? 2007? every couple years online brings a revolution.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

no one has ever done "social" right in adult. if someone could get that right, traffic would shift.

what was the biggest adult site in 2002? 2005? 2007? every couple years online brings a revolution.

Yep. My guess is we having be getting close to the next one. The last two big ones IMO were tubes and Myfreecams. Both really disrupted the industry and filled a huge void.

There is huge opportunity in social on the gay side IMO. The problem with straight has always been the lack of real women joining.

[dropped9]

Why would a porn surfer want to post on a social network? You think hey want to connect with other dudes that are also jerking off to some tranny with a cock in her ass? Hello no! They want porn now to jerk it now. That's why tubes flourished and myfreecams did as well.

That's why social will not be a fad in adult.

[cooldude7]

damn at facebook stats

[Sly]

Did teens ever really use e-mail? I don't remember ever e-mailing friends when I was a teen. And yes, we all had e-mail, LOL.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Shap

Yep. My guess is we having be getting close to the next one. The last two big ones IMO were tubes and Myfreecams. Both really disrupted the industry and filled a huge void.

There is huge opportunity in social on the gay side IMO. The problem with straight has always been the lack of real women joining.

there are a few huge gay social sites that do it right already. on the straight side not so much.

[JFK]

Is this what retirement is all about ?
"I was just reading fast company magazine and these stats stood out"

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by dropped9

Why would a porn surfer want to post on a social network? You think hey want to connect with other dudes that are also jerking off to some tranny with a cock in her ass? Hello no!

You might want to think that a little more.
Gay men are an odd lot. They get there dicks sucked by complete strangers at airports. People they do not even know for more than 5 minutes.

Truck stops are quick pick up's for gay men looking for other gay men.

So when you ask that question despite what you think it is quite the reality. I can easily understand why a gay oriented social network would explode.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

You might want to think that a little more.
Gay men are an odd lot. They get there dicks sucked by complete strangers at airports they do not even know.

Truck stops are quick pick up's for gay men for other gay men.

So when you ask that question despite what you think it is quite the reality.

That probably isn't every gay man, just you.

[Jakez]

http://www.socialparody.com/ - the traffic from networks created on here is absolutely golden.

[dropped9]

Originally Posted by Sly

That probably isn't every gay man, just you.

Do you always drop your sig when you piss on someone?

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Sly

That probably isn't every gay man, just you.

Surprised TopBucks even keeps retards like you around.

Understanding a sexual behavior does not make one gay. Guess you fail at understanding niches and segments of human sexual behavior.

I did not say every gay but the above is common knowledge and fairly common practice. Nothing is absolute in the world, especially the web there are always variations of things. But there are variations for things that are more common than others.

If you do not know shit like this by now, get up from your desk, walk into the other office and leave a letter if resignation.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by Shap

Yep. My guess is we having be getting close to the next one. The last two big ones IMO were tubes and Myfreecams. Both really disrupted the industry and filled a huge void.

There is huge opportunity in social on the gay side IMO. The problem with straight has always been the lack of real women joining.

I fully share your opinion about social features in adult sites but it depends how its being integrated and used.

Our members really appreciate the friendship connection, wall page, inbound mailbox, instant messenger and comment features in our platform.

I don't know yet how it will work with gay but we hope to start soon with a gay version of our platform "Boysocial.com". My expectations are that it will be used more intensive.

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by dropped9

Do you always drop your sig when you piss on someone?

NO shit LOL
Shame is a bitch.

[Lilit]

Originally Posted by Sly

That probably isn't every gay man, just you.

So much confidence in this statement... I wonder where it comes from?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

Surprised TopBucks even keeps retards like you around.

Understanding a sexual behavior does not make one gay. Guess you fail at understanding niches and segments of human sexual behavior.

I did not say every gay but the above is common knowledge and fairly common practice. Nothing is absolute in the world, especially the web there are always variations of things. But there are variations for things that are more common than others.

If you do not know shit like this by now, get up from your desk, walk into the other office and leave a letter if resignation.

LOL. Dude. You're sitting here blasting a huge stereotype insinuating that all gay men are in airport bathrooms getting BJs and picking up dudes in the park.

Do some people do that? Sure. Do they all? Absolutely not.

Headless, here is my signature. Top Bucks, Top Bucks, Top Bucks.

[Wizzo]

Shouldn't your sig have linkcode in it, since its no longer your program?

[Sly]

Lets get back to Shap's stats. No need to hijack a decent thread with stereotypes and name-calling. My apologies Alien!

[ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Sly

LOL. Dude. You're sitting here blasting a huge stereotype insinuating that all gay men are in airport bathrooms getting BJs and picking up dudes in the park.

Do some people do that? Sure. Do they all? Absolutely not.

Headless, here is my signature. Top Bucks, Top Bucks, Top Bucks.

Where did I say all?

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

there are a few huge gay social sites that do it right already. on the straight side not so much.

Any in particular and do you know if they have an affiliate program? Been looking for something like this but zilch so far with aff program.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

, get up from your desk, walk into the other office

It's a miracle!

[OutToLunch]

shap is this what you are talking about www.gay.com/ or www.manhunt.net

[Brujah]

FetLife is pretty social.
http://fetlife.com/

[uno]

Originally Posted by Shap

I was just reading fast company magazine and these stats stood out

Difference in people using email from 2009 to 2010
Seniors up 28%
teens down 59%

89% of all email sent is spam

Facebook users in 2004 1mil
In 2010 600 million

Aol users in 2004 23 million
In 2010 4 million

Whatever is hot today can quickly be replaced especially if the functionalty of it is replaced with something less annoying or more user friendly. I would guess most teens are communicating over social networks because there is far less hassle. No spam, no junk, no remembering an email addy. Yesterday when the sale was announced more than twice as many contacted me by fb msg over email.

There is always opportunity and now more than ever you can get a project to 1 million users faster than ever and you can drop back to zero faster than ever. You have to stay sharp.

It will be interesting to see if tubes evolve or if they stay stagnant the way paysites did.

Were there any numbers about regular text messaging patterns?

[Nathan]

Only one type of social network will work in straight adult in my opinion: swingers.

Anything else, the secrecy around porn consumption and sex in general makes it impossible to build a social graph around it. The men on the site also have very little in common other than the porn they consume. They will likely fear that the others are somehow strange or weird people, since they might think they are somewhat themselves.

It's not like you can build a social graph purely on a porn site, there are too many gaps in it at that point.

Again, with swingers, this will work in their group, no doubt.

Also, one remark. I am hearing more and more people complaining about spam on facebook, about how facebook filters updates to the people they think are interesting to you, how most updates you get are related to some kind of a product and not your friends.

Of course all this can be configured, but almost nobody will do so.

Social networks in my opinion have become the mailing list of the 21st century. Spam will take over soon.

I am however likely a bad example since I do not have a facebook account and will never have one. I have business social accounts, like linkedin, but thats the max I will go.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Shap

. I would guess most teens are communicating over social networks because there is far less hassle.

You'd guess wrong on that. As the father of 2 teens...it's texting non-stop. They only bother with computers to play games, and all the while the cellphone in their hand texting (also texting while eating dinner, watching a DVD, etc.)

[uno]

Think of what KRL could have done with Men.com.

[dropped9]

Originally Posted by Sly

Headless, here is my signature. Top Bucks, Top Bucks, Top Bucks.

LOL don't act like you didn't click that little check box to post that post without your sig... LOL I just thought it was funny you couldn't have your sig with a post... hahaha

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Only one type of social network will work in straight adult in my opinion: swingers.

yep great thing about swingers too is that they don't have any content to rip off and put on tubes.

[ottopottomouse]

Text messaging has eaten most other forms of communication here.

[Jakez]

http://www.fetlife.com/

[d-null]

Originally Posted by cooldude7

damn at facebook stats

seeing how the internet shifted so quickly and so far to Facebook makes me think about retiring just like Shap, I am losing interest in the stupidity of the masses really and find it hard to be enthusiastic anymore

[Shap]

I think the next big evolution may be somebody making a major mobile site. I'm not talking about just another mobile site but one that really explodes. To my knowledge it hasn't happened yet.

[VIXEN ESCORTS]

The next big thing in the UK is Majela Zeze Diamond

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Shap

I think the next big evolution may be somebody making a major mobile site. I'm not talking about just another mobile site but one that really explodes. To my knowledge it hasn't happened yet.

I think there is a good reason for that too. In the last 5 years, I've had to start wearing reading glasses while I work. And forget trying to see anything on a cell phone screen without them (and I have a big Droid X screen). As guys get a little older and have credit cards and disposable income it becomes harder to see on these damn things.

My thought is that mobile is really great for a sort of viral marketing. In other words, your buddy shows you a naked pic at a bar. But you aren't gonna buy a membership to that site on your cell phone when you're partying at a bar!

Nope, you're gonna go home and google that girl up on a real computer screen where you can see clearly and then buy a membership there.

I have enough trouble typing in a user/pass for my bank app...I can only imagine trying to do a join page on my cell phone. Talk about the potential for hidden x-sells! lol!

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Robbie

My thought is that mobile is really great for a sort of viral marketing. In other words, your buddy shows you a naked pic at a bar. But you aren't gonna buy a membership to that site on your cell phone when you're partying at a bar!

I think when the payment system is worked in well with your phone so you can just charge stuff by entering a password, people will be much more likely to do that, armed with the knowledge they can login using any computing device they prefer later on.

[NaughtyRob]

Social networks are the new porn, the new dating, the new everything.

[DatingGameExpert]

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Social networks are the new porn, the new dating, the new everything.

Wow, such a deep statement. I am in awe.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Shap

I was just reading fast company magazine and these stats stood out

Difference in people using email from 2009 to 2010
Seniors up 28%
teens down 59%

89% of all email sent is spam

Facebook users in 2004 1mil
In 2010 600 million

Aol users in 2004 23 million
In 2010 4 million

Whatever is hot today can quickly be replaced especially if the functionalty of it is replaced with something less annoying or more user friendly. I would guess most teens are communicating over social networks because there is far less hassle. No spam, no junk, no remembering an email addy. Yesterday when the sale was announced more than twice as many contacted me by fb msg over email.

There is always opportunity and now more than ever you can get a project to 1 million users faster than ever and you can drop back to zero faster than ever. You have to stay sharp.

It will be interesting to see if tubes evolve or if they stay stagnant the way paysites did.

Im guessing most teens are replacing email with text messaging now that most plans have unlimited texting so no extra costs and the attention span of kids is short, faster to text your friend with a short message then send them an email. And every single kid 13 or older has a phone now.

What is next is the million dollar question, however I see tube sites reigning for several years. Even 15 years ago a video was cool shit but the technology (and cost) to stream it wasn't practical, but we knew it was there and just a matter of time. Now you get full length HD videos for free. What is the next step up from that? 3D, a hologram of some type? Seems what ever is "next" is still many years away. Sees like what is next is so far away we don't even know what "it" is yet.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think there is a good reason for that too. In the last 5 years, I've had to start wearing reading glasses while I work. And forget trying to see anything on a cell phone screen without them (and I have a big Droid X screen). As guys get a little older and have credit cards and disposable income it becomes harder to see on these damn things.

My thought is that mobile is really great for a sort of viral marketing. In other words, your buddy shows you a naked pic at a bar. But you aren't gonna buy a membership to that site on your cell phone when you're partying at a bar!

Nope, you're gonna go home and google that girl up on a real computer screen where you can see clearly and then buy a membership there.

I have enough trouble typing in a user/pass for my bank app...I can only imagine trying to do a join page on my cell phone. Talk about the potential for hidden x-sells! lol!

I think the true money making idea with phones is connecting you to other people with phones, via dating type mobile site. Imagine being in a bar, mall or just driving around town and being able to log on via your phone with GPS and see were the location (or general location for privacy issues) of tons of single girls are, read their bio and see their video clips, pick the one you like an send her a wink, she checks out your bio etc... if she is interested she starts texting you. Not fake geo targeting shit, but a guy being at a bar and noticing through he phone that 2 other single chicks are there. If you both are interested then go talk in person and hook up... it surely makes it easier for dudes with no balls to meet girls a lot easier (which is 99% of the guys) and girls to be able to weed out the freaks/creeps/stalkers at lot easier then dealing with people face to face until they feel comfortable with them. I could see millions in the 18-35 crowd spending $20 a month for a service like that.

Originally Posted by Shap

I think the next big evolution may be somebody making a major mobile site. I'm not talking about just another mobile site but one that really explodes. To my knowledge it hasn't happened yet.

lol see my post above. So when you want to get started, next week ;) lolol.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by dropped9

Why would a porn surfer want to post on a social network? You think hey want to connect with other dudes that are also jerking off to some tranny

Circle jerking is not a mean to make traffic ?



(but you are right)

[will76]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Only one type of social network will work in straight adult in my opinion: swingers.

Anything else, the secrecy around porn consumption and sex in general makes it impossible to build a social graph around it. The men on the site also have very little in common other than the porn they consume. They will likely fear that the others are somehow strange or weird people, since they might think they are somewhat themselves.

It's not like you can build a social graph purely on a porn site, there are too many gaps in it at that point.

Again, with swingers, this will work in their group, no doubt.

I also agree, Swinger based social communities are the only ones that will really work well. All the rest is just fluff and shit. Social networking sites are not made to model porn sites but where porn sites can use to get traffic from if used effectively.

Originally Posted by Shap

There is always opportunity and now more than ever you can get a project to 1 million users faster than ever and you can drop back to zero faster than ever. You have to stay sharp.

It will be interesting to see if tubes evolve or if they stay stagnant the way paysites did.

Also, there is a huge difference between adult and mainstream when it comes to getting 1 million users quick. Can happen any time in mainstream, happens almost everyday, something new catches fire, goes viral and it explodes piratically over night. Whether it's groupon, linked in, facebook, twitter, etc or thousands of other smaller examples relatively speaking, but still large in general with millions of users.

That just doesn't happen in adult unless you send out 100 million spam emails and hope to get .0001% sign up. People just don't go viral with porn, who wants to email family, friends and co-workers about some new really cool porn site. First of all there has been very few or none very cool porn sites anyways, and even if they had been some people aren't going to go viral with it 1% as much as they would with the next mainstream gimmick.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by d-null

seeing how the internet shifted so quickly and so far to Facebook makes me think about retiring just like Shap, I am losing interest in the stupidity of the masses really and find it hard to be enthusiastic anymore

facebook is a big bubble site.
Will blow up in the future like every other bubble.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by will76

Im guessing most teens are replacing email with text messaging now that most plans have unlimited texting so no extra costs and the attention span of kids is short, faster to text your friend with a short message then send them an email. And every single kid 13 or older has a phone now.
....

isn't it kind of fucked when you think of it, not too long ago you had to write a letter on a piece of paper by hand and get a stamp and put it in the mail, then email killed much of that, but now email is too slow and too much trouble for the next generation

[d-null]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

facebook is a big bubble site.
Will blow up in the future like every other bubble.

I agree, I don't think it will take too many years before Facebook loses big time, unless they come up with something drastically different, I can see many people that are on it now with all kinds of ex-es and school friends etc. get tired of being at all accessible to the people they are hanging out with now or ever dated and want nothing to do with it all, it just seems crazy to put so much of your life online like that and be connected to so many aquaintances forever

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

no one has ever done "social" right in adult. if someone could get that right, traffic would shift.

what was the biggest adult site in 2002? 2005? 2007? every couple years online brings a revolution.

upgrading gfy's shitty board software to something more like fb would solve it. anybody who is anybody in adult is on gfy. its just a terrible platform.

better communication and the addition of something similar to fb wall sharing would improve the attitudes and business here on gfy.

being a bunch of anonymous avatars allows people to get nasty rather than productive. there is no 'friend' atmosphere and no group dynamic here.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

The next big thing is going to cost millions and millions to start up so that excludes 95% on this board. I myself have a great idea for a travel social site, but have way too many irons in the fire as it is. - next year.

WTS, I'm proud to be old school because text messaging craze just escapes me. If you got something to say email me and I'll eventually reply and if it's urgent, call me.

Don't even get me started about FB.

excludes 99% of the people here.

Originally Posted by d-null

isn't it kind of fucked when you think of it, not too long ago you had to write a letter on a piece of paper by hand and get a stamp and put it in the mail, then email killed much of that, but now email is too slow and too much trouble for the next generation

it didnt seem like that many years ago (about 20 to be exact) that if you needed to get in touch with me you paged me and I used a pay phone to call you back.

Originally Posted by d-null

I agree, I don't think it will take too many years before Facebook loses big time, unless they come up with something drastically different, I can see many people that are on it now with all kinds of ex-es and school friends etc. get tired of being at all accessible to the people they are hanging out with now or ever dated and want nothing to do with it all, it just seems crazy to put so much of your life online like that and be connected to so many aquaintances forever

i dont think so, sure maybe some people but not most. People get too carried away being nosy and peaking in on other people's lives and seeing what they been up too. Looking at their pictures, what they did last weekend.

It's like crack for a lot of people who don't have their own lives. You have 3 types of people on FB, 1. the ones who love to post about anything, the *look at me* people who love the attention and post about anything " hey look at the turd I just shit out everyone!" 2. the people who are casual users, make occasional updates, occasionaly read other people's shit, and then you have 3. The people with no lives who spend all day reading what everyone else has been doing and looking at their pictures. The middle group may come and go but the core users on FB are #1 and #3.

FB is like hooking a crack addict up with a crack dealer. The *look at me* people who post about anything and everything are the crack dealers and the people with no lives who read the shit all day are the crack addicts. You never going to lose those 2 groups of people, they hooked.


FB will be around and very popular for a long time, at least in internet time, which is 10+ years before another similar but slightly different site competes with them.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think there is a good reason for that too. In the last 5 years, I've had to start wearing reading glasses while I work. And forget trying to see anything on a cell phone screen without them (and I have a big Droid X screen). As guys get a little older and have credit cards and disposable income it becomes harder to see on these damn things.

My thought is that mobile is really great for a sort of viral marketing. In other words, your buddy shows you a naked pic at a bar. But you aren't gonna buy a membership to that site on your cell phone when you're partying at a bar!

Nope, you're gonna go home and google that girl up on a real computer screen where you can see clearly and then buy a membership there.

I have enough trouble typing in a user/pass for my bank app...I can only imagine trying to do a join page on my cell phone. Talk about the potential for hidden x-sells! lol!

Although ordinary pages can look a mess on a phone the sites that have put proper effort into their mobile version are very clean and easy to use if you have a big screen.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

WTS, I'm proud to be old school because text messaging craze just escapes me. If you got something to say email me and I'll eventually reply and if it's urgent, call me.

Email if it doesn't really matter when you get a reply. Text if you want an answer about something NOW!!!!