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Grapesoda · 06-22-2011, 09:27 PM

this is about the weirdest article/review I think I've ever read... it almost seems like it was written for the onion

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...essionals.html

Apple's latest Final Cut Pro release has drawn sharply polarized reactions, with some users lauding the upgrade, while others have condemned it as unfit for professional use.

The Cupertino, Calif., company released Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5 and Compressor 4 on Tuesday, touting it as a "revolutionary new version" that "completely reinvents video editing." However, that complete reinvention may have backfired, as numerous early adopters of the program have complained that missing features, lack of compatibility with Final Cut Pro 7 and bugs have crippled the software.

Currently, 278 of the 578 ratings for the $299 software on the Mac App Store are 1 star ratings, while 143 of the ratings are 5 star ratings. The application current has an average rating of 2 1/2 stars. Motion 5 has fared better with an average rating of 4 stars from 67 ratings, while Compressor has a 3 star rating with just 30 responses.

Customer Reviews of Final Cut Pro X temporarily disappeared from the Mac App Store on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Apple was censoring negative comments, but the reviews were back up within hours.

The current "Most Helpful" reviews are skewed toward negative feedback. "I love the idea of 64bit editing and all of the other features, but the basics for pros are gone," Kevin Lewis wrote in a 2 star review. "The interface is big and chunky like iMove," wrote user Fraize, adding that the program is buggy and "blew up" within 20 minutes of working on a project.

Other reviews compared Final Cut Pro X to Windows Vista, calling it "no longer a professional application," while others took issue with the lack of backward compatibility with Final Cut Pro 7. "I run my business on FCP and my first impression of the new app is that it is horrible," wrote user dangerousdan, though the reviewer admitted that they "will learn to love it."

Reviews outside of the Mac App Store have take notice of the improvements to and streamlining of the software, while still criticizing Final Cut Pro X's missing or limited features. John Gruber of Daring Fireball compared the release to the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X: "a true ground-up rewrite with the intention of laying a solid foundation for the long-term future, but, in the short term, lots of missing features and frustrating changes compared to what current users were accustomed to."

Gruber adds that the Final Cut Pro transition has been more jarring, since the Mac OS transition was a "years-long transition." According to a person familiar with the matter, Apple designated Final Cut Express, Server and Studio as "end of life" as of June 21.

"Great design, like great music, is almost always foreign at first, if not disturbingly strange," David Leitner wrote for Filmmaker Magazine. "You have to spend time with it. But if it is great, and if you invest your attention, it will change the way you look at the world. After using FCP X for a week, Premiere Pro looks to me like the past."

"At version 1 Final Cut Pro X won’t support some professional workflows, but for other professional workflows it will be more than capable," post production professional Philip Hodgetts wrote on his site. Using Final Cut Pro X to cut together a story, I’m struck by how fast it is to achieve a result, as if everything was designed to get a result a quickly as possible."

Hodgetts wrote that, based on his talks with company representatives, Apple is hard at work at adding features missing in the initial release. "During my direct briefing, the Apple folk made it abundantly clear that the ecosystem was very important to them," he said.

According to Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, many of the world's best Pro editors had their jaws drop when shown Final Cut Pro X. "I’m blown away by what Apple has done with Final Cut Pro,” Apple quoted Academy Award-winning film editor Angus Wall as saying. Apple privately demoed the software to a small group of industry professionals, who reportedly pronounced the upgrade "spectacular."

AppleInsider reported last year that Apple planned to widen Final Cut Pro's appeal to include more prosumer and advanced home users. Apple reportedly responded with a comment, reassuring users that the next version of Final Cut is would be "awesome" and pro customers would "love it."

billywatson · 06-22-2011, 09:51 PM

Yea -- it's all over how shitty X is.

Crazy. I was getting ready to pull the trigger, too.

BradBreakfast · 06-22-2011, 11:13 PM

Apple is making so much money off iPhone, iPad, and their Apps store that they forgot the rule about new friends are gold but keep the silver.

I think Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 and a good nVidia graphics card is where it's at. I built a Phenom X4 quad with only 4 GB of RAM and it can edit HD video flawlessly with Premiere and a good nVidia Fermi Card. It's not even an Intel i7 (which has a bigger transport bus...). I don't think Mac is where it's at anymore with Professional Level video editing.

Amateur Porn producers will find that the new Final Cut Pro X will meet most of their needs though. I don't think Apple ever developed this new version for a feature film or studio duty editing. It's meant for ProConsumers... home power-users.

It costs less then Adobe Premiere though... but if your doing a lot of editing such for a tube site or need the video in this codec and that codec then Adobe Media Encoder is where it's at right now. You can give it a list of tasks to complete (encode this to that and that to this...) and it'll FTP them to a remote server once it's one transcoding or rendering. This cost savings however is off set by the cost of Apple hardware. iMacs are hard to upgrade. With PC's you can upgrade and keep certain parts instead of buy a whole new system.

HD video editing works best with several SATA 6 Gbps hard disks. (One for sound, one for video, one for scratch, etc...) That's so you're not trying to read and write a bunch of data to the same hard disk or SATA port. Things run smoother if your working from several different drives and SATA ports. With an iMac there is one main drive. You can plug in an external SATA hard drive but that costs more money.

I think for business, a good PC, nvidia graphics card (for GPU assisted rendering)... and Premiere CS5 makes more business sense.

pamon · 06-22-2011, 11:20 PM

was listening to macbreak weekly this week (tech podcast). alex lindsay who is a video guy/editor/tech was talking about how 90% of the users will be fine with it, but the higher end editors won't be. users unable to import fcp 6/7 stuff into it is a big problem and some others like multi-camera editing and some others. rumors are that apple will update it later with some of the pro stuff.

honestly, they can grab a larger % of the users with a $299 price vs $1299 and thats the goal. it'll sell mac pro's, mac book pro's and macbook air's. it's a digital download with no cost to stock in stores.

high end editors might flock to avid and adobe and even to sony vegas though. it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

DirtyDanza · 06-22-2011, 11:45 PM

I think ill bite and snag it this week

DWB · 06-23-2011, 04:09 AM

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying Vegas 10.

I tried getting into Final Cut Pro two different times and it just doesn't feel right to me. Always felt like I was struggling to get the project done. Kudos to you who have mastered it.

sinclair · 06-23-2011, 07:04 AM

Not sure what your beef is about the review, seems point on. Based on previous apple vs PC threads I do sense a bit of gloating

Avid is kicking Apples ass on the pro side and Premiere Pro and Vegas have been stealing market share from the prosumer side. Combine this with Apple admitting to pulling programers off of their Professional programs to help with iOS and the writing was on the wall. Most people I know that make a living as editors saw this coming with FCP and Apple.

They have turned their back on the people that saved them in the past. I am a Mac user and fan. Loved FCP so this breaks my heart. But glad to see Adobe still loves the platform and respects pro users.

Grapesoda · 06-23-2011, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinclair

Not sure what your beef is about the review, seems point on. Based on previous apple vs PC threads I do sense a bit of gloating

Avid is kicking Apples ass on the pro side and Premiere Pro and Vegas have been stealing market share from the prosumer side. Combine this with Apple admitting to pulling programers off of their Professional programs to help with iOS and the writing was on the wall. Most people I know that make a living as editors saw this coming with FCP and Apple.

They have turned their back on the people that saved them in the past. I am a Mac user and fan. Loved FCP so this breaks my heart. But glad to see Adobe still loves the platform and respects pro users.

you're reaching homie... no beef at all... just seems so fucking strange like it was written for the onion... the only thing about the mac/pc bs is the fucking crying from the macites when you bring it up... it's very damn funny.. other than a pc is just a machine... who gives a fuck (other than mac fanboys that is)

and obviously steve jobs knows what's best for you video editors so man up and deal with it

sinclair · 06-23-2011, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm bradley

you're reaching homie... no beef at all... just seems so fucking strange like it was written for the onion... the only thing about the mac/pc bs is the fucking crying from the macites when you bring it up... it's very damn funny.. other than a pc is just a machine... who gives a fuck (other than mac fanboys that is)

and obviously steve jobs knows what's best for you video editors so man up and deal with it

Fair enough. And agreed on the Fanboy phenom.

And IMO Steve gave up on knowing whats good for anybody but his shareholders long ago.

Twoface31 · 06-23-2011, 08:46 AM

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Grapesoda · 06-23-2011, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinclair

Fair enough. And agreed on the Fanboy phenom.

And IMO Steve gave up on knowing whats good for anybody but his shareholders long ago.

yes and if MS pulled 1/2 stuff apple/jobs did the world would burn down

marcop · 06-23-2011, 09:24 AM

I was never a fan of FCP, and always liked Premiere Pro much better. And yes, Apple have let FCP slide over the last few years and Premiere has been gaining market share. Premiere's tight integration with other Adobe products (e.g., Photoshop) is a big plus too.

NaughtyRob · 06-23-2011, 09:26 AM

I'll stick with Avid but yes this should make Apple a lot of $ with consumers.

sinclair · 06-23-2011, 09:32 AM

Headed to Premiere myself here in the coming days.

I will tell ya one thing as a Mac user for over 20 years, with no FCP on my system there is absolutely no reason for me to continue buying their hardware. And depending on how much they continue to dummy down with Lion, my SWITCH may be sooner than later.

BTW nice AVI Marco. Jeff Koons was overshadowed by way too many lesser talented artist in his day IMO.

rock-reed · 06-23-2011, 10:39 AM

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waltgator · 06-23-2011, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

I'll stick with Avid but yes this should make Apple a lot of $ with consumers.

i could never get the hang of avid, its great though, I use fcp & me affiliate guy uses sony vegas lol all over the map!

06-22-2011, 09:27 PM	#1
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	video editors, inside pls: this is about the weirdest article/review I think I've ever read... it almost seems like it was written for the onion http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...essionals.html Apple's latest Final Cut Pro release has drawn sharply polarized reactions, with some users lauding the upgrade, while others have condemned it as unfit for professional use. The Cupertino, Calif., company released Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5 and Compressor 4 on Tuesday, touting it as a "revolutionary new version" that "completely reinvents video editing." However, that complete reinvention may have backfired, as numerous early adopters of the program have complained that missing features, lack of compatibility with Final Cut Pro 7 and bugs have crippled the software. Currently, 278 of the 578 ratings for the $299 software on the Mac App Store are 1 star ratings, while 143 of the ratings are 5 star ratings. The application current has an average rating of 2 1/2 stars. Motion 5 has fared better with an average rating of 4 stars from 67 ratings, while Compressor has a 3 star rating with just 30 responses. Customer Reviews of Final Cut Pro X temporarily disappeared from the Mac App Store on Wednesday, prompting speculation that Apple was censoring negative comments, but the reviews were back up within hours. The current "Most Helpful" reviews are skewed toward negative feedback. "I love the idea of 64bit editing and all of the other features, but the basics for pros are gone," Kevin Lewis wrote in a 2 star review. "The interface is big and chunky like iMove," wrote user Fraize, adding that the program is buggy and "blew up" within 20 minutes of working on a project. Other reviews compared Final Cut Pro X to Windows Vista, calling it "no longer a professional application," while others took issue with the lack of backward compatibility with Final Cut Pro 7. "I run my business on FCP and my first impression of the new app is that it is horrible," wrote user dangerousdan, though the reviewer admitted that they "will learn to love it." Reviews outside of the Mac App Store have take notice of the improvements to and streamlining of the software, while still criticizing Final Cut Pro X's missing or limited features. John Gruber of Daring Fireball compared the release to the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X: "a true ground-up rewrite with the intention of laying a solid foundation for the long-term future, but, in the short term, lots of missing features and frustrating changes compared to what current users were accustomed to." Gruber adds that the Final Cut Pro transition has been more jarring, since the Mac OS transition was a "years-long transition." According to a person familiar with the matter, Apple designated Final Cut Express, Server and Studio as "end of life" as of June 21. "Great design, like great music, is almost always foreign at first, if not disturbingly strange," David Leitner wrote for Filmmaker Magazine. "You have to spend time with it. But if it is great, and if you invest your attention, it will change the way you look at the world. After using FCP X for a week, Premiere Pro looks to me like the past." "At version 1 Final Cut Pro X won’t support some professional workflows, but for other professional workflows it will be more than capable," post production professional Philip Hodgetts wrote on his site. Using Final Cut Pro X to cut together a story, I’m struck by how fast it is to achieve a result, as if everything was designed to get a result a quickly as possible." Hodgetts wrote that, based on his talks with company representatives, Apple is hard at work at adding features missing in the initial release. "During my direct briefing, the Apple folk made it abundantly clear that the ecosystem was very important to them," he said. According to Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, many of the world's best Pro editors had their jaws drop when shown Final Cut Pro X. "I’m blown away by what Apple has done with Final Cut Pro,” Apple quoted Academy Award-winning film editor Angus Wall as saying. Apple privately demoed the software to a small group of industry professionals, who reportedly pronounced the upgrade "spectacular." AppleInsider reported last year that Apple planned to widen Final Cut Pro's appeal to include more prosumer and advanced home users. Apple reportedly responded with a comment, reassuring users that the next version of Final Cut is would be "awesome" and pro customers would "love it." Last edited by Grapesoda; 06-22-2011 at 09:29 PM..

06-22-2011, 09:51 PM	#2
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06-22-2011, 11:13 PM	#3
BradBreakfast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 415	Apple is making so much money off iPhone, iPad, and their Apps store that they forgot the rule about new friends are gold but keep the silver. I think Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 and a good nVidia graphics card is where it's at. I built a Phenom X4 quad with only 4 GB of RAM and it can edit HD video flawlessly with Premiere and a good nVidia Fermi Card. It's not even an Intel i7 (which has a bigger transport bus...). I don't think Mac is where it's at anymore with Professional Level video editing. Amateur Porn producers will find that the new Final Cut Pro X will meet most of their needs though. I don't think Apple ever developed this new version for a feature film or studio duty editing. It's meant for ProConsumers... home power-users. It costs less then Adobe Premiere though... but if your doing a lot of editing such for a tube site or need the video in this codec and that codec then Adobe Media Encoder is where it's at right now. You can give it a list of tasks to complete (encode this to that and that to this...) and it'll FTP them to a remote server once it's one transcoding or rendering. This cost savings however is off set by the cost of Apple hardware. iMacs are hard to upgrade. With PC's you can upgrade and keep certain parts instead of buy a whole new system. HD video editing works best with several SATA 6 Gbps hard disks. (One for sound, one for video, one for scratch, etc...) That's so you're not trying to read and write a bunch of data to the same hard disk or SATA port. Things run smoother if your working from several different drives and SATA ports. With an iMac there is one main drive. You can plug in an external SATA hard drive but that costs more money. I think for business, a good PC, nvidia graphics card (for GPU assisted rendering)... and Premiere CS5 makes more business sense. Last edited by BradBreakfast; 06-22-2011 at 11:17 PM..

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sinclair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,431	Headed to Premiere myself here in the coming days. I will tell ya one thing as a Mac user for over 20 years, with no FCP on my system there is absolutely no reason for me to continue buying their hardware. And depending on how much they continue to dummy down with Lion, my SWITCH may be sooner than later. BTW nice AVI Marco. Jeff Koons was overshadowed by way too many lesser talented artist in his day IMO. __________________ -- skype:vmgsinclair "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human sex."

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