Cigarette Smokers... Have you ever stayed at a hotel...

[CurrentlySober]

Which DOESNT allow smoking, and has signs up saying "NO SMOKING Smokers will be fined $150" or similar...

And just go up to the desk, pay the fine in advance, and smoke your ass off in the room?

I have not done it, but after a recent stay in a hotel in London, I think I should have

[Harmon]

[u-Bob]

Breach of contract is breach of contract.

[amacontent]

I cant afford to stay at a hotel.

[JFK]

Ask Brad - Mojo Host

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Harmon

???

Iz it because I iz black?

[garce]

Originally Posted by Harmon

I'm not even sure I want to know what that is.

As for the smoking thing, I just ask for a room with windows that actually open, or request a balcony.

They don't want me to smoke in their rooms - fine. On the other hand, I like to crack open a window and get some fresh air circulating - even in Canada in January.

I think smelling recirculated farts, body order, and stale pussy is a lot more offensive than second hand smoke.

[Jim_Gunn]

Fucking gross. I would hope that if you were obnoxious enough to do that that they would kick your ass out so that you don't contaminate the room for the next poor person checking in who gets randomly assigned it.

[flashfire]

nothing is worse than a hotel room that reeks of smoke

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by JFK

Ask Brad - Mojo Host

Has he done it? LOL... Wouldn't surprise me

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by flashfire

nothing is worse than a hotel room that reeks of smoke

Yes there is... A hotel room that you cannot smoke in... Thats worse for a smoker.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by JFK

Ask Brad - Mojo Host

LOL. That's exactly what he was thinking. Fuck, the entire flood smelled like smoke!

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by flashfire

nothing is worse than a hotel room that reeks of smoke

q f t

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by flashfire

nothing is worse than a hotel room that reeks of smoke

Anyway, paying the ludicrously high 'Fine' should cover the cleaning of the room for the next person... I mean, they are gonna clean it anyway... And if they have a EXTRA $150... Then that EXTRA $150 surly can be used towards the cleaning?

With some profit left over for the hotel?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Breach of contract is breach of contract.

Sorry, I disagree. By placing a monetary value on the smoking ($150) or whatever, to me that is saying that if I want to smoke, I can, but it will cost me $150?

If it just said NO SMOKING... Fair enough... BUT, offering me $150 to be able to smoke... Is different...

[MaDalton]

just quit smoking: more money, less problems

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

just quit smoking: more money, less problems

I agree... But its like the old story about the sign that says 'Thank you For NOT Smoking"

But... Because you ARE smoking...

It doesn't apply...

[Markul]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Which DOESNT allow smoking, and has signs up saying "NO SMOKING Smokers will be fined $150" or similar...

And just go up to the desk, pay the fine in advance, and smoke your ass off in the room?

I have not done it, but after a recent stay in a hotel in London, I think I should have

lol that's funny.

No I've sat in a 4 star hotel in Amsterdam once, smoking a big fat joint and reading their leather bound rule book that said: "While the use of soft drugs are allowed in Amsterdam, they are not in the hotel and use of such in the room will be be cause for an extra cleaning bill".

After that I smoked out the window and took the ash with me, didn't want to explain the extra cleaning bill to my employer at that time

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Sorry, I disagree. By placing a monetary value on the smoking ($150) or whatever, to me that is saying that if I want to smoke, I can, but it will cost me $150?

If it just said NO SMOKING... Fair enough... BUT, offering me $150 to be able to smoke... Is different...

If you murder someone, you go to jail for x number of years. Does that make it right to murder someone if you are willing to accept the punishment? No of course not.

If you deliberately cause damage to someone's property, but afterwards agree to pay for the damage, does that make what you did 'right'? No of course not.

The hotel and you have an agreement: They provide a certain service, you agree to pay x amount of money and abide by certain rules.
If you decide to smoke in your room, you are violating the terms of the contract you agreed to. The fact that you knew beforehand how much the other party would charge you in damages, did in no way give you permission to smoke.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

If you murder someone, you go to jail for x number of years. Does that make it right to murder someone if you are willing to accept the punishment? No of course not.

If you deliberately cause damage to someone's property, but afterwards agree to pay for the damage, does that make what you did 'right'? No of course not.

The hotel and you have an agreement: They provide a certain service, you agree to pay x amount of money and abide by certain rules.
If you decide to smoke in your room, you are violating the terms of the contract you agreed to. The fact that you knew beforehand how much the other party would charge you in damages, did in no way give you permission to smoke.

Sorry Mr U Bob, but I still respectfully disagree... Murder is murder and property damage is property damage... And they are not really the same thing...

All I am saying is that if they say 'You smoke? Its $150" Then why not proactively take them up on the offer?

Remember, I DIDNT smoke myself in the hotel room in London, because I RESPECTED the fact that the next guest may be a non smoker... But I cant help thinking that if I had paid the £150 'surcharge'? They could have cleaned the room, made something extra for themselves, and I could have enjoyed a ciggy, while on vacation...

Thats all

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Sorry Mr U Bob, but I still respectfully disagree... Murder is murder and property damage is property damage... And they are not really the same thing...

All I am saying is that if they say 'You smoke? Its $150" Then why not proactively take them up on the offer?

Remember, I DIDNT smoke myself in the hotel room in London, because I RESPECTED the fact that the next guest may be a non smoker... But I cant help thinking that if I had paid the £150 'surcharge'? They could have cleaned the room, made something extra for themselves, and I could have enjoyed a ciggy, while on vacation...

Thats all

Their hotel room, their property, their rules. The $150 is not the price you pay to be allowed to smoke there. The $150 fine is the punishment they inflict on you for doing something that violates their rules.

While I agree that from an economic point of view, you are right. From an ethical point of view however, I think you are wrong.

[ahoy]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Anyway, paying the ludicrously high 'Fine' should cover the cleaning of the room for the next person... I mean, they are gonna clean it anyway... And if they have a EXTRA $150... Then that EXTRA $150 surly can be used towards the cleaning?

With some profit left over for the hotel?

If only you smokers knew how bad you truly do smell. Most definitely not that easy to make the smell go away, and my god is it bad. Nothing is worse then a hotel room that smells like cigarette smoke, I will immediately go politely ask for a new room.

[flashfire]

if you have kids with allergies who are sensitive to smoke you know that no amount of cleaning will get rid of it. I've had someone in the next room decide to "take the fine" and it made my family sick.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by ahoy

If only you smokers knew how bad you truly do smell. Most definitely not that easy to make the smell go away, and my god is it bad. Nothing is worse then a hotel room that smells like cigarette smoke, I will immediately go politely ask for a new room.

Understood. However - Do you not feel that a professional hotel, being given $150 in EXTRA income, SOLEY for the purpose of 'Cleansing the room' should be able to get rid of the smell for $150?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by flashfire

if you have kids with allergies who are sensitive to smoke you know that no amount of cleaning will get rid of it. I've had someone in the next room decide to "take the fine" and it made my family sick.

Understood - ANd respected. REMEMBER... I DID NOT SMOKE...

But my point is this. If they said 'NO SMOKING' fair enough..
BUT THEY DONT... They say...
$150 TO SMOKE...

That, is my point...

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by ahoy

If only you smokers knew how bad you truly do smell. Most definitely not that easy to make the smell go away, and my god is it bad. Nothing is worse then a hotel room that smells like cigarette smoke, I will immediately go politely ask for a new room.

Same here.

I used to own a couple of computer hardware stores (before I sold them), and I NEVER hired a smoker. I never asked them if they smoked (that would be illegal), but I could always tell if they did. I could always smell it.

There's nothing worse for a non-smoking customer than to ask a salesperson a question and get an answer that's shrouded in cigarette breath.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Understood - ANd respected. REMEMBER... I DID NOT SMOKE...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by ahoy

Nothing is worse then a hotel room that smells like cigarette smoke, I will immediately go politely ask for a new room.

I DISAGREE !

(Follow me here...)

No Need to politely ask for a room that doesn't smell of smoke... DEMAND IT ! LOUDLY ! You are entitled to it

My point is, that IF I smoked in the room, (Not surreptitiously, out the window) but straight up - and I PAID $150 for THE EXTRA CLEANING...

Then that is the hotels problem? Not yours or mine?

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Yup, you got it 100%

I'm NOT saying I went to hotel that said NO SMOKING and I SMOKED !!! FUCK ME? AINT I JUST SOOOO COOL... ????

I'm just opening dialoge regarding an imposed monetary value upon smoking, as decided and dictated by the hotel itself...

Not saying right or wrong... Just opening it up to debate

[D Ghost]

I took this over the weekend at the YNOT Summit. A certain someone provided the wonderful haven for us... Thanks MojoHost Brad!

;)

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

I took this over the weekend at the YNOT Summit. A certain someone provided the wonderful haven for us... Thanks MojoHost Brad!

;)

Thats where I am going...

In the states, your looking at $250 from the pic...

In london, it was £150

Translation? give or take a dollar or so... Its the same cost

[Jim_Gunn]

There is no way to clean a hotel room sufficiently after a cigarette smoker smokes inside. It will smell for months or years afterwards. Even blowing cigarette smoke out the window is no good unless they go all the way out on the balcony and close the sliding door tight behind them so the smoke doesn't waft back inside. I can smell when someone smokes a cigarette in a hotel room even if I am down the hall eight or ten rooms away.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

There is no way to clean a hotel room sufficiently after a cigarette smoker smokes inside. It will smell for months or years afterwards. Even blowing cigarette smoke out the window is no good unless they go all the way out on the balcony and close the sliding door tight behind them so the smoke doesn't waft back inside. I can smell when someone smokes a cigarette in a hotel room even if I am down the hall eight or ten rooms away.

What he said.

[Si]

You know what's funny? the same people who wanted smoking banned could now end up in a room that someone has smoked in and not know it.

Whereas before you had smoking/non-smoking rooms.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

There is no way to clean a hotel room sufficiently after a cigarette smoker smokes inside. It will smell for months or years afterwards. Even blowing cigarette smoke out the window is no good unless they go all the way out on the balcony and close the sliding door tight behind them so the smoke doesn't waft back inside. I can smell when someone smokes a cigarette in a hotel room even if I am down the hall eight or ten rooms away.

OK, so in that case, why impose a monetary value of $150?

You cant say its a 'punishment'... Realistically, I could pay TEN times that, and not even notice...

Why not just say "NO SMOKING" and be done?

TBH, for myself, (And I guess Brad as well... lol ) the 'FINE' is not so much a "Deterrent", as it is an "Invitation"?

Again, let me state that this is NOT about smokers VS non smokers... Just about the logic of imposing a 'fine'???

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Si

the same people who wanted smoking banned...

Yep, those people are abundant...

Smokers who DEMAND the right to smoke, are very thin on the ground...

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Si

Whereas before you had smoking/non-smoking rooms.

Ahh yes.. The good old days... When people ACTUALLY HAD A CHOICE... As opposed to a dictatorship...

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Si

You know what's funny? the same people who wanted smoking banned could now end up in a room that someone has smoked in and not know it.

Whereas before you had smoking/non-smoking rooms.

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Yep, those people are abundant...

Smokers who DEMAND the right to smoke, are very thin on the ground...

I never wanted to ban smoking. People are free to use their property as they see fit.

If you want to smoke in your house, that is fine. If you want to smoke in your store, that is fine. Just know that I will never enter your store or buy anything there.
If a hotel owner wants to ban smokers from his hotel, than that is his right.

Your property, your rules.

[D Ghost]

Ah yes the good old day of personal freedom. When you didn't need the government to act like your mom/dad.

Yep, if a hotel wants to ban smoking. That's their right. But the government banning it in all bars and telling private business owners what to do is not right.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Harmon

oh man

[kristin]

This happened at the Westin in Hollywood when they implemented their no smoking rule. Someone that remains nameless goes:
"Can you smoke pot in the room?"
Housekeeping, "oh yeah, just not cigarettes."

LOL.

[CurrentlySober]

OK all...

Nice debate - Seriously - Ive enjoyed the discussion.

However, Im crashing out here in the UK, so I'll check back in tomorrow, when I wake up

'Cheers' (UK TERMINOLOGY...)

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Ah yes the good old day of personal freedom. When you didn't need the government to act like your mom/dad.

Yep, if a hotel wants to ban smoking. That's their right. But the government banning it in all bars and telling private business owners what to do is not right.

Smoking isn't banned in all bars.

[Jim_Gunn]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

OK, so in that case, why impose a monetary value of $150?

You cant say its a 'punishment'... Realistically, I could pay TEN times that, and not even notice...

Why not just say "NO SMOKING" and be done?

TBH, for myself, (And I guess Brad as well... lol ) the 'FINE' is not so much a "Deterrent", as it is an "Invitation"?

Again, let me state that this is NOT about smokers VS non smokers... Just about the logic of imposing a 'fine'???

You are right, a $150 penalty is not appropiate. The fine should be $1500 taken right off of your credit card, that way it would actually have the intended effect of deterring smokers from poisoning the whole floor of the hotel. And if they can't afford the fine or your credit card doesn't have room on it they should bring back debtors prison and throw smokers in until they pay it off.

[Si]

Originally Posted by Markul

lol that's funny.

No I've sat in a 4 star hotel in Amsterdam once, smoking a big fat joint and reading their leather bound rule book that said: "While the use of soft drugs are allowed in Amsterdam, they are not in the hotel and use of such in the room will be be cause for an extra cleaning bill".

After that I smoked out the window and took the ash with me, didn't want to explain the extra cleaning bill to my employer at that time

Amsterdam is funny!

I asked the hotel I stayed at if we could smoke in the room she said no.
Then she said you can smoke cigarettes in the room and gave us an ashtray.

Then the second time there was also "no smoking" but we had an ashtray in the room and was told we could have a cigarette in the room.

Then in various bars "no smoking"

All meaning not being able to smoke dope, not cigarettes. Took a while to get use to but was cool

[Jon Oso]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Ah yes the good old day of personal freedom. When you didn't need the government to act like your mom/dad.

Yep, if a hotel wants to ban smoking. That's their right. But the government banning it in all bars and telling private business owners what to do is not right.

You've been to AZ. They banned smoking in bars/clubs here in 2007. You can smoke on patios but if it's inside... no go.

I believe the only legal exceptions are hookah lounges and a couple bars around here that are labeled by the city as "patio properties" and grandfathered in. Patio meaning they did not have solid walls to the property at the time they were built and coded.

In fact, to further the "we don't want to be near smoke" campaign, you're not even allowed to smoke within 20 feet of a main entrance to a business.

It's pretty retarded.

I can understand not wanting to smell smoke if you don't smoke - I smoke and I don't even want to smell it half the time... but to pass a law regarding it is taking it a bit far.

Only place I agree with it is places that primarily serve food... Most smokers I know don't even smoke when they're eating.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Markul

lol that's funny.

No I've sat in a 4 star hotel in Amsterdam once, smoking a big fat joint and reading their leather bound rule book that said: "While the use of soft drugs are allowed in Amsterdam, they are not in the hotel and use of such in the room will be be cause for an extra cleaning bill".

After that I smoked out the window and took the ash with me, didn't want to explain the extra cleaning bill to my employer at that time

Which hotel? One of the ones by the train station?

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Anyway, paying the ludicrously high 'Fine' should cover the cleaning of the room for the next person... I mean, they are gonna clean it anyway... And if they have a EXTRA $150... Then that EXTRA $150 surly can be used towards the cleaning?

With some profit left over for the hotel?

If the place is booked solid and you stink the room up you could cost the hotel even more money if they don't have time to properly clean the place out. I know plenty of people who refuse to stay in a room that wreaks like smoke when they ask for a non-smoking room. It's not like they can just come in and spray some febreeze and then move in another customer if there was a bunch of people in there stinking the place up. Can take a while to air that out.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

You've been to AZ. They banned smoking in bars/clubs here in 2007. You can smoke on patios but if it's inside... no go.

I believe the only legal exceptions are hookah lounges and a couple bars around here that are labeled by the city as "patio properties" and grandfathered in. Patio meaning they did not have solid walls to the property at the time they were built and coded.

In fact, to further the "we don't want to be near smoke" campaign, you're not even allowed to smoke within 20 feet of a main entrance to a business.

It's pretty retarded.

I can understand not wanting to smell smoke if you don't smoke - I smoke and I don't even want to smell it half the time... but to pass a law regarding it is taking it a bit far.

Only place I agree with it is places that primarily serve food... Most smokers I know don't even smoke when they're eating.

We have to pass laws because people are assholes with no care for anyone/anything but themselves.

I'm an offender when I use to smoke. I was playing roulette the first time I was in Vegas and when drunk kept blowing my smoke in the dealer's face accidentally. He couldn't tell me not to smoke but boy was he pissed, rightfully so.

I watched a kid just litter yesterday, no reason. Told him he dropped something, magically it found its way in the trash can.

The thing is people don't want government interference but they won't take the social responsibility to do things the right way in the first place, so rules have to be implemented.

And yes on the hookah bars - we are in Tucson and they are still allowed. At the office we have to implement the 20 ft. rule too.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Same here.

I used to own a couple of computer hardware stores (before I sold them), and I NEVER hired a smoker. I never asked them if they smoked (that would be illegal), but I could always tell if they did. I could always smell it.

There's nothing worse for a non-smoking customer than to ask a salesperson a question and get an answer that's shrouded in cigarette breath.

Ever have to fix a computer from someone that is an excessive smoker and who doesn't dust their computer area? Now THAT is nasty.

Wouldn't be surprised if breathing that shit that builds up inside their computer is highly toxic.