US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why? - GoFuckYourself.com

webairalex · 07-13-2011, 09:39 AM

WTF?

http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT..._firearms.html

US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why?

(NaturalNews) It is now a widely-reported fact that under the Obama administration, U.S. federal agents actively placed over 30,000 fully-functional weapons into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, then halted all surveillance and tracking activities of where those weapons were going.

This is not a conspiracy theory, nor a piece of fiction. It is now an openly-admitted fact that this was pulled off by the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, more commonly called "ATF") under orders from Washington. The program was called "Fast and Furious."

Even Reuters is now covering the news and reporting how members of Congress are outraged to learn that this happened (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...).

Details are also starting to leak about the cover-up inside ATF, which was led by the U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke, an Obama appointee (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/06/i...). The engineering of the illegal gun running went right up the chain of command to the director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, who is now expected to resign. The real planning of this event went even higher up the chain of command in Washington, possibly all the way to Attorney General Eric Holder (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/i...).

Among the firearms sold to the Mexican drug gangs were AK-47s, thousands of pistols and, remarkably, .50-caliber rifles which are typically used to disable vehicles or carry out sniper-based assassinations at extremely long ranges (up to two miles). The mainstream media is now reporting that these weapons are turning up in violent crimes being committed in Phoenix, Arizona. As an ABC news affiliate reports:

"According to the testimony of three Phoenix ATF agents, including Dodson, hundreds of weapons are now on the streets in the United States and Mexico, possibly in the hands of criminals. Dodson estimated the number could be as many as 1,800 weapons. He estimated agents in the Phoenix field division facilitated the sale of approximately 2,500 weapons to straw purchasers. A few hundred have been recovered." (http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local...)

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT...#ixzz1S0JlMnkP

JFK · 07-13-2011, 09:41 AM

probably armed them, so they can kill off one another, but it backfired on them

Caligari · 07-13-2011, 09:45 AM

The program was called "Fast and Furious."
rogue govt elements trying to undermine the obama admin, or maybe they were well aware of it.
in either case its a major WTF story.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-13-2011, 09:46 AM

Whose side is Obama on?

?

TheDoc · 07-13-2011, 09:48 AM

That article you're quoting is filled with trash information from a clear anti-Obama person, because this has been happening for decades - just not happening anything like what was posted.

We didn't GIVE them 30k weapons, we TOOK 30k weapons between 09-10 and out of those 70% were found to originated from the States. Not anything new at all. The issue, is that they didn't stop weapons they knew were going across and we knew were being purchased. Rather they tracked them to see where they went, to see how the flow of weapons worked - for a period of time, then they stopped.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...75E49N20110615

Which is the same thing being reported here locally.

Emil · 07-13-2011, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Whose side is Obama on?

?

On the bankers side.

Vendzilla · 07-13-2011, 10:08 AM

pornguy · 07-13-2011, 10:10 AM

How many Officers in Customs and Border Patrol. Stop the flow of Drugs, Guns and People and you have that many more unemployed.

Vendzilla · 07-13-2011, 10:11 AM

Republicans and Democrats expressed outrage at the ATF program, particularly about two weapons being found at the scene where a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry, was killed in a shootout with illegal immigrants.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...75E49N20110615

webairalex · 07-13-2011, 10:20 AM

Video of Deputy Attorney General David Ogden talking about Project Gunrunner on March 24, 2009 can be found right here.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhY...layer_embedded

On April 2, 2009 Attorney General Eric Holder gave a speech in which he discussed the expansion of "Project Gunrunner"....

"Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."

Did Eric Holder know the full extent of what was happening with Project Gunrunner at that time?

Sly · 07-13-2011, 10:22 AM

There was a Law and Order SVU episode that lightly touched on this.

Jman · 07-13-2011, 10:27 AM

This sure sounds like a script for a Nicolas Cage upcoming movie

_Richard_ · 07-13-2011, 10:40 AM

that is a bit fubar

marketsmart · 07-13-2011, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

you know what?

you're a fucking idiot..

i tried to reason with you, but you are just too dumb...

illegal immigration has been a problem long before obama, bush, clinton, bush, etc...

you're so brainwashed, you are the problem thats killing this country..

its not democrats or republicans.. its stupid people like yourself...

.

marketsmart · 07-13-2011, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

That article you're quoting is filled with trash information from a clear anti-Obama person, because this has been happening for decades - just not happening anything like what was posted.

We didn't GIVE them 30k weapons, we TOOK 30k weapons between 09-10 and out of those 70% were found to originated from the States. Not anything new at all. The issue, is that they didn't stop weapons they knew were going across and we knew were being purchased. Rather they tracked them to see where they went, to see how the flow of weapons worked - for a period of time, then they stopped.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...75E49N20110615

Which is the same thing being reported here locally.

you are correct...

i heard about this story a couple weeks ago..

it was an operation that was needed to track the flow of guns from the US to mexico..

it got totally out of hand and i hope the highest levels are exposed and fired...

.

TheDoc · 07-13-2011, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

you are correct...

i heard about this story a couple weeks ago..

it was an operation that was needed to track the flow of guns from the US to mexico..

it got totally out of hand and i hope the highest levels are exposed and fired...

.

It may appear out of hand, but this is smoke screen bullshit to cover up the fact that our military high grade weapons have been found, for like 6 or so years now... and it's getting worse.

Whatever they let through on this tracking mission, is small arms compared to what has been found.

I can't really speculate what they're doing, but bringing in the top dogs across all your major crime/fraud/enforcement departments tells me something extreme is happening. I figure, they have no idea who is in on it, so as few people / teams, etc knew about it as possible.

The heat will happen because profits are about to stop... and those type of weapons, this goes way the hell up, from the fed down to the border states, and I'm sure even some in the military.

Someone or some people, are for sure going down - it's going to be interesting to see who wins this fight.

96ukssob · 07-13-2011, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

probably armed them, so they can kill off one another, but it backfired on them

RyuLion · 07-13-2011, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

probably armed them, so they can kill off one another, but it backfired on them

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

JustJ · 07-13-2011, 11:32 AM

WTF Were they thinking?

D Ghost · 07-13-2011, 12:34 PM

They were trying to send in the guns, and then trace them. Kind of backfired. (no pun intended)

candyflip · 07-13-2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

you know what?

you're a fucking idiot..

i tried to reason with you, but you are just too dumb...

illegal immigration has been a problem long before obama, bush, clinton, bush, etc...

you're so brainwashed, you are the problem thats killing this country..

its not democrats or republicans.. its stupid people like yourself...

.

You pretty much nailed it.

u-Bob · 07-13-2011, 02:47 PM

strategy of tension?

buzzard · 07-13-2011, 03:23 PM

It was a false flag operation to restrict the 2nd amendment.

Agent 488 · 07-13-2011, 03:30 PM

natural news is a joke site. the onion is more valid. anything from there can be instantly dismissed.

the real question is why you unquestioningly and uncritically reprint and repost such false garbage sources.

Vendzilla · 07-13-2011, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart

you know what?

you're a fucking idiot..

i tried to reason with you, but you are just too dumb...

illegal immigration has been a problem long before obama, bush, clinton, bush, etc...

you're so brainwashed, you are the problem thats killing this country..

its not democrats or republicans.. its stupid people like yourself...

.

?Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don?t have to prove they are citizens.? -Ben Stein

07-13-2011, 09:39 AM	#1
webairalex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 253	US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why? WTF? http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT..._firearms.html US government openly admits arming Mexican drug gangs with 30,000 firearms - but why? (NaturalNews) It is now a widely-reported fact that under the Obama administration, U.S. federal agents actively placed over 30,000 fully-functional weapons into the hands of Mexican drug gangs, then halted all surveillance and tracking activities of where those weapons were going. This is not a conspiracy theory, nor a piece of fiction. It is now an openly-admitted fact that this was pulled off by the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, more commonly called "ATF") under orders from Washington. The program was called "Fast and Furious." Even Reuters is now covering the news and reporting how members of Congress are outraged to learn that this happened (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...). Details are also starting to leak about the cover-up inside ATF, which was led by the U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke, an Obama appointee (http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/06/i...). The engineering of the illegal gun running went right up the chain of command to the director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, who is now expected to resign. The real planning of this event went even higher up the chain of command in Washington, possibly all the way to Attorney General Eric Holder (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/21/i...). Among the firearms sold to the Mexican drug gangs were AK-47s, thousands of pistols and, remarkably, .50-caliber rifles which are typically used to disable vehicles or carry out sniper-based assassinations at extremely long ranges (up to two miles). The mainstream media is now reporting that these weapons are turning up in violent crimes being committed in Phoenix, Arizona. As an ABC news affiliate reports: "According to the testimony of three Phoenix ATF agents, including Dodson, hundreds of weapons are now on the streets in the United States and Mexico, possibly in the hands of criminals. Dodson estimated the number could be as many as 1,800 weapons. He estimated agents in the Phoenix field division facilitated the sale of approximately 2,500 weapons to straw purchasers. A few hundred have been recovered." (http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local...) Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_AT...#ixzz1S0JlMnkP __________________ Alex S Webair Internet Development, Inc. 516.938.4100 Ext. 218 AIM: Webairalexs Twitter: Webairalex EMAIL: [email protected] WEB: http://www.webair.com

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