so tired of all this patriotism shit

[Fletch XXX]

just because you watch tv all day on 9/11 dont make you anything but a lazy fucker...

tired of hearing about 9/11

its another holiday to make money off of nowadays nothing else.

[seeandsee]

its memorial day...

[Fletch XXX]

didnt even know lol i was just ranting about all this 9/11 shit on my facebook geez...

i dont celebrate anything to do with military or war.,

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

didnt even know lol i was just ranting about all this 9/11 shit on my facebook geez...

i dont celebrate anything to do with military or war.,

So you dont celebrate the 4th of July?

[CaptainHowdy]

[JFK]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

its memorial day...

isnt memorial day in November ? or are there several ?

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by JFK

isnt memorial day in November ? or are there several ?

Its on the last Monday in May, I have no idea what you and seeandsee are talking about.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by JFK

isnt memorial day in November ? or are there several ?

Its normaly the last weekend in May.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by JFK

isnt memorial day in November ? or are there several ?

There's only one.

I wonder when theyll make 9/11 a holiday?

[Theo]

neopatriotism is a tv product

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

So you dont celebrate the 4th of July?

Fletch is a full time environmentalist trying to save the world, he doesn't have time for silly holidays. Although he does like to party it up on Arbor Day.

[CIVMatt]

As a military person myself, the only frustrating thing is the mass patriotism front from people who really aren't prepared to do anything about it. a.k.a. "mothers of america" crowd.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Its normaly the last weekend in May.

aha, ok , I was thinking of Remembrance day. Which is in November

[digitalfantasies]

I agree, don't mean to offend anybody, but wtf is so special about 9/11?

there are lots of people dying everyday from attacks and much worse shit... do we remember them too?

[alias]

Turn off your tv.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by alias

Turn off your tv.

I did

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

I agree, don't mean to offend anybody, but wtf is so special about 9/11?

there are lots of people dying everyday from attacks and much worse shit... do we remember them too?

I didnt know there were much worse things (other than natural disasters) in the past 10 years than planes being hijacked and flown into buildings... but hey if you say so.

[Matyko]

in general as an outsider i can only say that i love the kind of patriotism of the Americans.

[digitalfantasies]

I don't think it is very ethic to determine whether or not some things are worse than 9/11, that is not my point...
I also honor those who have fallen on 9/11, as well as others who have fallen

but yes, for your information, there is and has been a lot more fucked up shit going on in the world...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

I agree, don't mean to offend anybody, but wtf is so special about 9/11?

there are lots of people dying everyday from attacks and much worse shit... do we remember them too?

Because it's not every day there is an attack on US soil where thousands of innocent Americans die. In fact, the last time that happened was in 1941.

[amateurbfs]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Because it's not every day there is an attack on US soil where thousands of innocent Americans die. In fact, the last time that happened was in 1941.

Amazes me how everyone forgets about this one....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Death toll not in the thousands but still a very well forgotten and horrible piece of US history.

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Because it's not every day there is an attack on US soil where thousands of innocent Americans die. In fact, the last time that happened was in 1941.

I am not from US, so I guess there's the difference... anyway... I hope the memoriam went well..

[CaptainHowdy]

Sent this thread to the Unamerican Activities Committee ...

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Because it's not every day there is an attack on US soil where thousands of innocent Americans die. In fact, the last time that happened was in 1941.

I have to say one thing for the Japanese... at least they used military forces, military hardware, and they attacked a military installation.

[Scott McD]

Meanwhile here in the UK...






Hate the Western world, yet choose to live in it...

[will76]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

just because you watch tv all day on 9/11 dont make you anything but a lazy fucker...

tired of hearing about 9/11

its another holiday to make money off of nowadays nothing else.

sounds like you were the lazy fucker watching tv all day or your wouldn't have been bitching about what was on tv all day.

How are people making money off of it? it's not another "holiday" like easter, christmas, halloween where there are stuff people buy for each other. It's just a day to remember.

Don't you have oil to cleanup, a pelican to save, big bad oil to fight, a vegan meal to fix or an AA meeting to attended, a $5 banner to make, or post all day about how great of a person/dad you are and you going to save the world? But spending your time ripping on 9/11 is low even for you.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

didnt even know lol i was just ranting about all this 9/11 shit on my facebook geez...

i dont celebrate anything to do with military or war.,

i've always known you are one stupid fuck, but you are even more stupid then I thought. 9/11 has nothing to do with celebrating the military or war, it is remembering the people who died on Sept 11, 2001. You know the civilians and fireman, policeman, etc. It's a day to honor their memories.

retarded asshole you probably shoot fireworks on the forth of july and bbq on memorial day.

To think that you and Cherrylula had a child together... Couldn't have found too more clueless people on this earth.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Meanwhile here in the UK...






Hate the Western world, yet choose to live in it...

errode from within.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by will76

i've always known you are one stupid fuck, but you are even more stupid then I thought. 9/11 has nothing to do with celebrating the military or war, it is remembering the people who died on Sept 11, 2001. You know the civilians and fireman, policeman, etc. It's a day to honor their memories.

retarded asshole you probably shoot fireworks on the forth of july and bbq on memorial day.

To think that you and Cherrylula had a child together... Couldn't have found too more clueless people on this earth.

people like fletch think america deserved 9/11.

[DWB]

I'm still grieving over Pearl Harbor. I'll catch up to 9-11 in about 20 years.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

people like fletch think america deserved 9/11.

Maybe they didn't deserve that one, but the one that's coming next, will be more than deserved.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by DWB

Maybe they didn't deserve that one, but the one that's coming next, will be more than deserved.

and the reason it will be more than deserved?

[KillerK]

what a thread backfire

FAIL for you Fletchy

[blazin]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I didnt know there were much worse things (other than natural disasters) in the past 10 years than planes being hijacked and flown into buildings... but hey if you say so.

lol... you have got to be kidding.... 9/11 was bad.... but so what... we in the west have committed far worse atrocities in the name of freedom and democracy...

What about the close to 1 million civilians killed in Iraq & Afganistan.... is anyone having a moment or silence for them.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by DWB

Maybe they didn't deserve that one, but the one that's coming next, will be more than deserved.

I feel civilians of any country don't deserve violence. I don't think america deserved 9-11 just as much as i don't think Iraq or Afghanistan deserved what America did to them. Just my

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Mutt

and the reason it will be more than deserved?

America is the one and only, true evil of the world, of course.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by blazin

lol... you have got to be kidding.... 9/11 was bad.... but so what... we in the west have committed far worse atrocities in the name of freedom and democracy...

What about the close to 1 million civilians killed in Iraq & Afganistan.... is anyone having a moment or silence for them.

The comment was regarding what's happened to the United States. And yes, the appropriate people absolutely should have a moment of silence for the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Syria and the list goes on. That is for their people to remember.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by Mutt

and the reason it will be more than deserved?

because free porn made his job go away.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

As a military person myself, the only frustrating thing is the mass patriotism front from people who really aren't prepared to do anything about it. a.k.a. "mothers of america" crowd.

Mothers Of America. Aren't they Mothers of soldiers currently serving?

Originally Posted by amateurbfs

Amazes me how everyone forgets about this one....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Death toll not in the thousands but still a very well forgotten and horrible piece of US history.

That's because it was orchestrated by Americans, and the Muslim religion wasn't involved.

Both were horrific events that we all wish would have never happened. However, You do have to admit that the 911 propaganda machine works overdrive due to the ties to the middle east.

R.I.P to all that were lost in both attacks, and a huge thanks to everyone that assisted in the aid of both.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by amateurbfs

Amazes me how everyone forgets about this one....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Death toll not in the thousands but still a very well forgotten and horrible piece of US history.

You remember, I remember, I think a lot of people here remember. So, its not forgotten.

It's not going to be in your face though, because that's the kind of terrorism we want to sweep under the rug. 9/11 is a harder sell if we have to lump it in with our own terrorists.

Btw, there is a reason we are at war. The pic of the burning american flag, in this thread, says it all.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

I have to say one thing for the Japanese... at least they used military forces, military hardware, and they attacked a military installation.

BINGO...And FDR knew it was coming. Then he let Gen Mays firebomb civvies for next 4 years.

3,000 was a lot, yes. I am sad for them and their families. I am also sad for the million plus we killed in Iraq and the thousands more in Afghanistan.

I think Americans can expect payback for decades to come...thanks to our glorious leaders. ahem.

[Relentless]

The only thing that bothers me is that if you were killed on 9/11 in the towers your life is somehow more deserving of monetary aid, remembrance, charity and patriotism than the many thousands more who were brave enough and patriotic enough to serve in our military after 9/11 but became injured mentally or physically as a result. There are 9/11 widows (who were financially well off before the attack) who have collected millions in aid during the aftermath of the attack, and military families with members who have been killed or injured but have not gotten 1/1000th as much support from our government or our citizens.

Instead of building monuments, spending money on parades, planning memorial services and using the event as a justification for pageantry - we ought to be using all of those dollars to provide educational funding, career training and support services for our military personnel and their families.

The foundation that manages the memorial and museum has raised $412 million from private donors and hopes to collect an additional $17 million by the end of the year. Joseph C. Daniels, the president and chief executive of the memorial, said that sum should cover all costs through the end of 2012.

That calculation, however, does not account for $150 million that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey wants from the foundation as its share of underground construction work. The foundation has so far refused to pay that amount, Port Authority officials say.

But beyond next year, the costs of running the museum and maintaining and protecting the memorial plaza, with its pair of deep, granite-lined pools and grove of swamp white oak trees, will be at least $55 million annually, Mr. Daniels said. He has been lobbying in Washington for federal financing to cover part, if not most, of those expenses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/10/ny...lie-ahead.html

That kind of cash could put EVERY child of EVERY military casualty through college on a full scholarship, allow returning veterans to get career training, provide interest free financial assistance to veterans in need and do a heck of a lot more good for the living than it will ever do for the dead.

Originally Posted by Relentless

The only thing that bothers me is that if you were killed on 9/11 in the towers your life is somehow more deserving of monetary aid, remembrance, charity and patriotism than the many thousands more who were brave enough and patriotic enough to serve in our military after 9/11 but became injured mentally or physically as a result. There are 9/11 widows (who were financially well off before the attack) who have collected millions in aid during the aftermath of the attack, and military families with members who have been killed or injured but have not gotten 1/1000th as much support from our government or our citizens.

Instead of building monuments, spending money on parades, planning memorial services and using the event as a justification for pageantry - we ought to be using all of those dollars to provide educational funding, career training and support services for our military personnel and their families.

That kind of cash could put EVERY child of EVERY military casualty through college on a full scholarship, allow returning veterans to get career training, provide interest free financial assistance to veterans in need and do a heck of a lot more good for the living than it will ever do for the dead.

I agree with you on ALL fronts...But one thing you have to realize is that individuals in the armed forces, are being paid for their service. The individuals in attacks were not at war, and not receiving compensation. The proper PR move, was for these families to be compensated, displaying unity.

Also, these memorials, parades, etc...They fuel American citizens with American pride, and the pride drives many Americans to join the armed forces. At the end of the day, the government would much rather have larger armed forces, than a larger educated work force.

Like I said, I fully agree with you and what you said, but in the end, it's all about keeping Nationalism up and education down.

[will76]

Originally Posted by blazin

lol... you have got to be kidding.... 9/11 was bad.... but so what... we in the west have committed far worse atrocities in the name of freedom and democracy...

What about the close to 1 million civilians killed in Iraq & Afganistan.... is anyone having a moment or silence for them.

So you saying the US military has killed over 1 million civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

The difference you fucking idiot / anti American people can't understand here is that this isn't a thread about " what the US has done to other countries". It's a thread about an anti social, tree hugging, loser punk who got mad because their was 9/11 stuff on tv so he had to have a sissy fit and post about it on gfy and facebook.

But more to the point, it's about a country morning their own losses not which countries have done worst acts to other countries. If Iraq wants to hold a day to remember the people who have been killed by others there, then it's their right to hold that day I and wouldn't come shit on it. I also wouldn't bitch about it, if I didn't want to observe it at worst I would just ignore it. But you anti american fucks can't see things for what they are and you have to turn everything into the " big bad USA did worst things " no matter how much it doesn't apply to the topic at hand so you can go fuck yourselves.

[will76]

Originally Posted by porno jew

because free porn made his job go away.

The fact that all he could do was banners and banner design died about 10 years ago and he has no skill is what made his job go away. That and that he is a piece of shit on many levels and most people can't stand him certainty didn't help business either.

So he had to go and get a job basically working for BP while at the same time he hates and bitches about BP, typical Fletch.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Relentless

The only thing that bothers me is that if you were killed on 9/11 in the towers your life is somehow more deserving of monetary aid, remembrance, charity and patriotism than the many thousands more who were brave enough and patriotic enough to serve in our military after 9/11 but became injured mentally or physically as a result. There are 9/11 widows (who were financially well off before the attack) who have collected millions in aid during the aftermath of the attack, and military families with members who have been killed or injured but have not gotten 1/1000th as much support from our government or our citizens.

Instead of building monuments, spending money on parades, planning memorial services and using the event as a justification for pageantry - we ought to be using all of those dollars to provide educational funding, career training and support services for our military personnel and their families.

That kind of cash could put EVERY child of EVERY military casualty through college on a full scholarship, allow returning veterans to get career training, provide interest free financial assistance to veterans in need and do a heck of a lot more good for the living than it will ever do for the dead.

There is nothing more patriotic then serving in the military. I don't think 9/11 holds the people who were killed out to be "patriots" but it pulls us all together and makes *US* feel more patriotic as a country when we remember what happened.

You are right, the victims of 9/11 get remembered and their deaths observed, donations and monetary payments received from the govt, more so than any solider who was KIA. But I think there is a valid and good explanation for that. First of all, the people who were killed on 9/11 were all civilians. People who never signed up to put their lives in harms way, they were men, women (i assume some children) old and young. They didn't sign up to fight or enter the military where they knew they could die. They were your sister, father, cousin, mom, neighbor.

It was a tragic event, that killed thousands of people. I see 9/11 as remembering the innocent people who tragically died that day and honoring the brave police, fireman, and ems for their courage and in some cases gave their life trying to help others. You really can't even put 9/11 in the same context as "military" observance even though you will hear a token phrases every now again " ...and the soldiers who lost their lives since 2001". But IMO 9/11 really has nothing to do about the military, but the civilians that died, some who were just innocent victims and some who were heroes trying to help others.

I agree the military don't get enough recognition. I have family members who are career military. I think the US doesn't take care of them well and I think most Americans take them for granted and what they do for us. Memorial day and Veterans day simply is not enough recognition for all of those who have fought and died over the last 250 years. Also the fact that the death toll is staggered, a couple here a couple there, it doesn't nearly have the impact as if we were to loss a couple thousand soldiers on the same day. It's sad, but a true fact that most Americans don't think twice about losing a couple soldiers a day.

Originally Posted by sherm

Also, these memorials, parades, etc...They fuel American citizens with American pride, and the pride drives many Americans to join the armed forces. At the end of the day, the government would much rather have larger armed forces, than a larger educated work force.

True, but it also makes people feel better. Besides just morning, it unites people together. While some politicians might use it to their advantage or govt officials use it to justify war, or as way to recruit, it does make at least most of us (the asshole OP being one of the exceptions) feel better.

I think at the of the day its better for us a country if we feel pride and a sense of unity then lost and in despair and bad about ourselves with a sense of being defeated.

[blazin]

Will76.... read the thread I was responding to before calling me an idiot.... you fucking jackass.