Debate Fallout: Rick Perry To Cut Aid To Israel To Zero

[porno jew]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1090535.html

Rick Perry called for a radical new approach to American foreign aid spending in the GOP debate Saturday night, proposing that all aid be reduced "to zero," and then be re-implemented only once the country made a good case for their aid. Asked later in the night if he included Israel in that plan, Perry said he did.

[raymor]

That's simply a flat out lie to say he'd cut aid to Isreal.

He said PAKISTAN doesn't seem like they are really a country we should be funding, given that we're basically broke and need that money here. For all other countries, we should take a fresh look, rather than assuming that we should continue supporting them at current levels.

What Perry actually said about Israel:

Originally Posted by Perry

Obviously Israel is a special ally, and my guess is we would be funding them at a high level

This after saying:

Originally Posted by Perry

PAKISTAN is clearly sending us messages that they don't deserve our foreign aid because they're not being honest with us

He then said that we should take a look at ALL foreign aid, that if there's no reason to be funding another country, that country's funding from us should be zero. We should consider each country, he said, and spend only what seems prudent, starting from the basis level of zero, then doling out money only as it's prudent. This as opposed to starting with current levels as the basis and then deciding which countries to increase aid to.

[moeloubani]

A spokesman for Mitt Romney, who said during the debate that he supported Perry's idea of starting all foreign aid at zero, has now walked back the implication that Romney would include Israel in that calculation.

"Governor Romney was talking about Pakistan when he said the foreign aid each year should start at zero," Romney spokesman Ryan Williams told Politico's Ben Smith. He added that he did not believe that Israel should see their foreign aid reduced to a starting point of zero.

Funny how even the mere mention of pulling funding or even making Israel make a case for their funding is news.

Every country starts at zero except Israel...why? American soldiers aren't dying because of decisions made in Pakistan, they are dying because of decisions made in Israel.

[raymor]

Porno Jew, I don't get you and many liberals like you. Obviously you don't think you like Perry. Presumably, there is some REASON you don't like him. (There are plenty of reasons to choose from.) If you think there is some good reason to dislike him, why not post that, rather than making up transparent lies?

When you post silly lies rather than posting any actual reason to dislike Perry, you leave the reader wondering why you won't be honest about your motivation and they wonder which of these two reasons it is:

a) You don't post any true reason to dislike Perry because you don't KNOW of any reason and you're just a crazy, hateful person.
or
b) You are ashamed to admit the real reason, that you're a racist or whatever.

Either way, when you make up lies like saying he'd cut all aid to Israel, you don't makes HIM look bad. You only make yourself look like a liar who's either crazy or shameful.

If you know of some reason to dislike a politician, simply state your reason and explain your thinking. That would work a lot better than these posts that do nothing but make you look like a crazy liar.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Funny how even the mere mention of pulling funding or even making Israel make a case for their funding is news.

Every country starts at zero except Israel...why? American soldiers aren't dying because of decisions made in Pakistan, they are dying because of decisions made in Israel.

Some people seem to be confused about "beginning" and ending. Perry is saying that we should take a fresh look at foreign aid. In our thinking, we should BEGIN not ASSUMING funding for any other countries without a reason to do so. Then, we start saying "we should send $X to Pokemanland because ... , and $Y to El Pedo because ..." and once you add up all the reasons to send different amounts of aid those are the levels you end up at.

We START with zero as the assumed default for how much we support other countries and add from there. That doesn't mean we end up at zero. We just start our thinking process with the idea that Americans need that money and then figure out how much to send overseas.

[porno jew]

i watched the debate. was pretty clear ALL countries would be cut to zero, including israel. they would then have to justify why they deserved future aid.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i watched the debate. was pretty clear ALL countries would be cut to zero, including israel. they would then have to justify why they deserved future aid.

You're right about zero UNJUSTIFIED aid. He also clearly said that significant aid to Isreal is justified.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by raymor

You're right about zero UNJUSTIFIED aid. He also clearly said that significant aid to Isreal is justified.

what is hard to understand? all would be cut to zero then they would have to justify further aid.

[porno jew]

Texas Gov. Rick Perry said he would cut the United States' foreign aid budget to zero and then allocate taxpayer dollars depending on each country's support for America.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...tarts-at-zero/

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by raymor

That's simply a flat out lie to say he'd cut aid to Isreal.

He said PAKISTAN doesn't seem like they are really a country we should be funding, given that we're basically broke and need that money here. For all other countries, we should take a fresh look, rather than assuming that we should continue supporting them at current levels.

What Perry actually said about Israel:


This after saying:


He then said that we should take a look at ALL foreign aid, that if there's no reason to be funding another country, that country's funding from us should be zero. We should consider each country, he said, and spend only what seems prudent, starting from the basis level of zero, then doling out money only as it's prudent. This as opposed to starting with current levels as the basis and then deciding which countries to increase aid to.

What he said.. exactly.. was

The foreign aid budget in my administration for every country is gonna start at zero dollars... zero dollars.. and then we'll have a conversation.....

He told the audience what they wanted to hear.. got the applause.. and then later started to change that stance... The reality is that he wouldn't really change anything but just says (like every other politician) what the public wants to hear in order to garner support.

The majority of foreign aid isn't about aid at all.. It's about leverage with those countries to get them to do what the US wants. Which usually has to do with oil and military issues (which are usually about oil)... So don't see that changing at all until the US fixes their energy independence so they can reduce the need for military "leverage" around the world.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by raymor

You are ashamed to admit the real reason, that you're a racist or whatever.

you drunk?

[raymor]

BTW as a Texan I've voted against Perry twice. I don't like the guy. I will, however, speak up when someone tells lies about him. There are enough honest reasons to vote against him without engaging in malicious lies, libel.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by raymor

BTW as a Texan I've voted against Perry twice. I don't like the guy. I will, however, speak up when someone tells lies about him. There are enough honest reasons to vote against him without engaging in malicious lies, libel.

Admit it. You're not sticking up for him but rather the party. That's fine and dandy but don't try to make it something else.

You never rush to Obamas aid when something wrong is said about him.

[moeloubani]

i was talking about romney

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Tempest

The majority of foreign aid isn't about aid at all.. It's about leverage with those countries to get them to do what the US wants. Which usually has to do with oil and military issues

Absolutely. Being friendly with your friends, as they say. That's how and why he brought up th subject, saying that since PAKISTAN isn't really our friend, so we should take a look at why we're sending your money to them.

Expanding on that, he's saying the same principle should apply across the board - if they aren't cooperating with us, and there's not a humanitarian justification, why are you and I paying them, via our taxes? Agree or disagree, that's how it works, aid normally assumes cooperation, or some other justification.

He was also very clear in specifically saying he'd plan on Israel continuing to get significant aid after the review is complete. You know that, so please have a little intellectual honesty and say what, if anything, you actually disagree with, rather than trying to twist his words. He never said Israel would end up with zero aid and you know that. Will you tell us what your real problem with him is, or are you ashamed to say? Do you even know, or are you just blindly following a comedian who told you to dislike him?

[Makaveli]

Yeah right... America is under Zionist control. That would never happen.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by epitome

Admit it. You're not sticking up for him but rather the party. That's fine and dandy but don't try to make it something else.

You never rush to Obamas aid when something wrong is said about him.

Use the search function. I've done the same with Obama. For example, several times on here I've said the birther thing is stupid, so if you don't like Obama please post real policy disagreements, not made up crap.

True, I think Obama is more damaging than Perry would be, probably, but I absolutely HAVE spoken up when people lied about Obama or attacked him with something dumb.

If I was all about party, I would keep silent when democrats tell stupid lies or even encourage them, because I do believe it makes the liar, not the target, look bad. Witness Donald Trump. A smart, successful man, he defeated himself by repeating false accusations about Obama. That hurt Trump, the liar, not Obama, the target.

[raymor]

Speaking of Perry and lying, Perry is also a big fat liar.

Look into that if you want to follow Stewart's marching orders and attack the guy, rather than trying to twist words. He's said plenty of things that needn't be twisted at all in order to show why he's not a great choice for president.

[porno jew]

i don't get my politics from comedians. i am not racist of the other dozen or so falsehoods you accused me of. you are off your rocker a bit tonight.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by raymor

Absolutely. Being friendly with your friends, as they say. That's how and why he brought up th subject, saying that since PAKISTAN isn't really our friend, so we should take a look at why we're sending your money to them.

Expanding on that, he's saying the same principle should across the board - of they aren't cooperating with us, and there's not a humanitarian justification, why are you and I paying them, via our taxes? Agree or disagree, that's how it works, aid normally assumes cooperation, or some other justification.

He was also very clear in specifically saying he'd plan on Israel continuing to get significant aid after the review is complete. You know that, so please have a little intellectual honesty and say what, if anything, you actually disagree with, rather than trying to twist his words. He never days Israel end up with zero aid and you know that. Will you tell us what your real problem with him is, or are you ashamed to say? Do you even know, or are you just blindly following a comedian who told you to dislike him?

Wow.. In a bad mood tonight or something with the personal attacks?

I didn't twist his words.. That's what he said and then he's backed off from that bold black and white statement. What's funny is that Romney does the same sort of thing and gets labeled a flip flopper (although he has clearly flopped on some things).. I feel sorry for these guys.. They have to preach the red meat to the base in order to get the nomination and yet try and keep things "soft" enough so they don't box themselves in later when they have to appeal to the center when they run for president.

Here's the reality about his statement.. It's meaningless other than being great for garnering support... Do you honestly think he'd enter office and then cut off all foreign aid? No.. The entire "we'll start at zero and then figure out what they should get" is just blowing smoke.. That's not how it would work.. They'd sit around a table, discuss what everyone is getting and why and adjust the numbers accordingly.

My "issue" is that it's just one more bogus, empty promise from a politician looking to get elected.. Very little would change.. For how many years have they all said the same things and then little changes.. It's because they really can't change it..

As for Pakistan not being a friend to the US vs Israel... Doesn't the US use Pakistan as a supply line etc into Afghanistan to some degree? Isn't that the entire reason the aid started up, in order to support and help in the operations there? But, like most countries in that region, no one is ever completely "friendly" no matter what you give them. Take a look at some of the things Israel has done despite all the aid the US gives them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...ates_relations

US gives Israel weapons etc... Israel sells high tech stuff to China including military equipment despite the US protesting it. Despite the aid, it seems that Israel doesn't exactly help with ensure global security.

What I find interesting is where the aid is actually going... Wish the numbers were more up to date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_foreign_aid

Other than a handful of countries, "most" of the aid is "economic" in nature... I can understand a lot of the ones on there.. But I don't get Russia or Mexico. 15 Billion can be attributed to the wars (Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan) so don't see that going away any time soon.. I also don't get Egypt and Jordan. I guess Libya will be on a new list at some point. I was actually surprised though.. I thought there would have been a lot more than that.

[Sukiho]

anyone ever sort of wondered why the US has to buy its friends?

[TheDoc]

Now that would finally be a message I could support from Rick Perry. Too bad he didn't mean all aid, including Israel.

[MaDalton]

this is how foreign media sees the GOP debate (google translation):
http://translate.google.de/translate...66%2C 00.html

amusing read...

[cykoe6]

I support Israel but I am all for cutting all foreign aid to zero and reconsidering each situation.

[cherrylula]

creepy double talking politicians...

why don't they relocate all the living people and turn that holy land into a big giant crater... yep there's an idea...

[Fletch XXX]

Its scary when you look at the numbers that american tax dollars go to other countries, heres brief example:

Annual aid to Israel is easily estimated at $3-$4 Billion per year. http://wrmea.org/component/content/a...4-billion.html

Population of Israel according to google: 7,624,600

/open Calculator

4,000,000,000
div by 7,624,600 = $524 per Israeli every year.

when you look at it across the world, Americans spend a lot of money per living person in foreign countries, and I have never understood why.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

when you look at it across the world, Americans spend a lot of money per living person in foreign countries, and I have never understood why.

it's not about helping people, its about securing economic goals. it's just that the chinese are much better at that nowadays and without pissing people off so much. just look up how China buys its way through Africa and gets access to their resources

[DWB]

I didn't watch the debate, but strongly believe foreign aid should be cut WAAAAAAY back, and in many cases, to zero.

[mayabong]

Yes we should cut the aid to Israel and every other country. Israel is no friend of the US.

The Lavon Affair and The USS liberty and various other happenings should tell you that.