The New Condom Law, What Will It Mean?

[mikesouth]

From http://www.mikesouth.com

There seems to be some confusion about how the proposed new condom law is going to work.

Most people think that the condom use will be tied to getting the filming permits from the city, this is not exactly the case.

As I read it companies in L.A. who are shooting hardcore are going to have to have permits, for which they will pay a fee and be held in compliance with workplace safety regulations, failure to do so will result in fines and potential revocation of the permit. Think of it more like a license to shoot porn instead of the traditional one time shooting permits, so it doesn't matter if you don't get a one shoot permit or you shoot on private property, the very product you produce could be used as evidence that you aren't in compliance.

This approach makes it much easier to police and enforce the permit requirements.

[RyuLion]

Lame law. nuf said.

[Chosen]

It sucks...

[GARY LEE]

It will mean that anyone can get out of LA for a couple days and come up to our studio in San Luis Obispo and pay no permit fees and with a valid test shoot without a raincoat.

[Cherry7]

It means employers have a duty of care to their employees.

[CurrentlySober]

that poo gets more popular?

[The Ghost]

How exactly would they prove where the content is shot? Easiest solution is to stop shooting non condom hardcore in L.A. and move production elsewhere.

[cherrylula]

Pretty retarded. Didn't realized this passed. Good luck peeps

[seeandsee]

they will move production elsewhere now

[Jarmusch]

The future of porn:

[Fletch XXX]

poor L.A.

its a "sanctuary city" for illegals (as defined legally) but yet, Americans having sex on camera are forced to wear condoms.

Ummm, how about LA fix the illegal immigrant problem first? LOLOLOL

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

There seems to be some confusion about how the proposed new condom law is going to work.

Most people think that the condom use will be tied to getting the filming permits from the city, this is not exactly the case.

As I read it companies in L.A. who are shooting hardcore are going to have to have permits, for which they will pay a fee and be held in compliance with workplace safety regulations, failure to do so will result in fines and potential revocation of the permit. Think of it more like a license to shoot porn instead of the traditional one time shooting permits, so it doesn't matter if you don't get a one shoot permit or you shoot on private property, the very product you produce could be used as evidence that you aren't in compliance.

This approach makes it much easier to police and enforce the permit requirements.

you seem to be pretty happy about it

[Dirty Dane]

More lesbian sex.

[jimmycooper]

It apparently means that 'yay' voting councilmen from predominantly African American and Gay districts enjoy fucking their constituents up the ass. Bareback, of course.

[idtapdat]

florida is waiting

[Camguy]

You need permits to shoot porn in the US? AND CONDOMS ARE LAW in certain areas???



Reporter: "So tell us Camguy, when is the big move to the US to shoot content?
Camguy: " I'll be landing in 3... 2... 1...

Remember folks, it's a FREE COUNTRY!!

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by GARY LEE

It will mean that anyone can get out of LA for a couple days and come up to our studio in San Luis Obispo and pay no permit fees and with a valid test shoot without a raincoat.

You dont get it...

If the company doesnt comply their license is pulled and they are ut of biz....doesnt matter where you shoot...what matters is where yer business is located.

yes it opens a can of worms, but thats what they are "ironing out" now

this wont be good for porn valley based companies

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

you seem to be pretty happy about it

Not the case at all....as a Libertarian i am and always have been condom optional, anyone wants to wear one Im fine with that

if not...fine with that too.

but i shoot mostly niche content these days in a small market Im relatively unaffected

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

The future of porn:

[goldflower]

Not good for LA ....

[brentbacardi]

Florida and New Hampshire are where its at now I guess?... lol

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by brentbacardi

Florida and New Hampshire are where its at now I guess?... lol

Not very familiar with Florida are you?

That aside these workplace regulations are pretty much guaranteed to follow porn anywhere in the US that it goes.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

There seems to be some confusion about how the proposed new condom law is going to work.

Most people think that the condom use will be tied to getting the filming permits from the city, this is not exactly the case.

As I read it companies in L.A. who are shooting hardcore are going to have to have permits, for which they will pay a fee and be held in compliance with workplace safety regulations, failure to do so will result in fines and potential revocation of the permit. Think of it more like a license to shoot porn instead of the traditional one time shooting permits, so it doesn't matter if you don't get a one shoot permit or you shoot on private property, the very product you produce could be used as evidence that you aren't in compliance.

This approach makes it much easier to police and enforce the permit requirements.

Interesting...

Permits are already required. And fines already get handed out for non-comlience.


People generally shoot at locations with gates. Currently, in the past and now, I have never seen or heard of the police hopping gates or kicking in doors to check for permits.


It will definitely effect the larger production companies, but as for the smaller to medium sized companies (2-3 man crews), it will have no effect.


Does it bother me? Yes. Am I worried? Kinda. Am I going to change the way I do things? Nope!!

People will still get tested and people will still be shooting... With out condoms.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

As I read it companies in L.A. who are shooting hardcore are going to have to have permits

Maybe you don't understand the geography here in LA, Mike. The City of Los Angeles is huge, but there are a lot of independent cities dotted around the greater Los Angeles conurbation... places like Burbank, Malibu, Santa Monica, Culver City, and Beverly Hills, to mention just a few. Presumably unincorporated Los Angeles County won't be subject to these new regulations as its not the City of LA. And Ventura County is contiguous with the San Fernando Valley.

Producers have a lot of alternatives to shooting in the City of Los Angeles.

Originally Posted by mikesouth

...so it doesn't matter if you don't get a one shoot permit or you shoot on private property, the very product you produce could be used as evidence that you aren't in compliance.

And how is that going to happen? If the producer is shooting indoors, the scene could be shot anywhere. Unless the AHF succeeds in getting a regulation stating that all porn shot in Southern California must have embedded GPS encoding, it's going to be next-to-impossible to know exactly where a scene was shot. Though I guess if a producer is dumb enough to shoot somewhere that can be identified as being in the City of Los Angeles--staging an orgy on the steps of City Hall, for example--then, yes, maybe they'll get busted.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

From http://www.mikesouth.com

There seems to be some confusion about how the proposed new condom law is going to work.

Most people think that the condom use will be tied to getting the filming permits from the city, this is not exactly the case.

As I read it companies in L.A. who are shooting hardcore are going to have to have permits, for which they will pay a fee and be held in compliance with workplace safety regulations, failure to do so will result in fines and potential revocation of the permit. Think of it more like a license to shoot porn instead of the traditional one time shooting permits, so it doesn't matter if you don't get a one shoot permit or you shoot on private property, the very product you produce could be used as evidence that you aren't in compliance.

This approach makes it much easier to police and enforce the permit requirements.

It will mean people won't film in LA

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by marcop

Maybe you don't understand the geography here in LA, Mike. The City of Los Angeles is huge, but there are a lot of independent cities dotted around the greater Los Angeles conurbation... places like Burbank, Malibu, Santa Monica, Culver City, and Beverly Hills, to mention just a few. Presumably unincorporated Los Angeles County won't be subject to these new regulations as its not the City of LA. And Ventura County is contiguous with the San Fernando Valley.

Producers have a lot of alternatives to shooting in the City of Los Angeles.




And how is that going to happen? If the producer is shooting indoors, the scene could be shot anywhere. Unless the AHF succeeds in getting a regulation stating that all porn shot in Southern California must have embedded GPS encoding, it's going to be next-to-impossible to know exactly where a scene was shot. Though I guess if a producer is dumb enough to shoot somewhere that can be identified as being in the City of Los Angeles--staging an orgy on the steps of City Hall, for example--then, yes, maybe they'll get busted.

Exactly!!

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

It will mean people won't film in LA

And you know this how?? Because you shoot? Because you own a big company? Or are you posting because you want a higher post count next to your nick?

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by marcop

Maybe you don't understand the geography here in LA, Mike. The City of Los Angeles is huge, but there are a lot of independent cities dotted around the greater Los Angeles conurbation... places like Burbank, Malibu, Santa Monica, Culver City, and Beverly Hills, to mention just a few. Presumably unincorporated Los Angeles County won't be subject to these new regulations as its not the City of LA. And Ventura County is contiguous with the San Fernando Valley.

Producers have a lot of alternatives to shooting in the City of Los Angeles.




And how is that going to happen? If the producer is shooting indoors, the scene could be shot anywhere. Unless the AHF succeeds in getting a regulation stating that all porn shot in Southern California must have embedded GPS encoding, it's going to be next-to-impossible to know exactly where a scene was shot. Though I guess if a producer is dumb enough to shoot somewhere that can be identified as being in the City of Los Angeles--staging an orgy on the steps of City Hall, for example--then, yes, maybe they'll get busted.

You guys arent reading it right or Im not writing it right.

As I read the legislation it wont MATTER WHERE YOU SHOOT. What matters is that your product contains condom usage think of it kinda like California emissions....if you have a dealership you cant sell cars that dont comply with California emissions, doesnt matter where they are built.


what is troublesome to me is Weinsteins NEXT step, which will almost certainly be to push this through the STATE Legislature.....

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

You guys arent reading it right or Im not writing it right.

As I read the legislation it wont MATTER WHERE YOU SHOOT. What matters is that your product contains condom usage think of it kinda like California emissions....if you have a dealership you cant sell cars that dont comply with California emissions, doesnt matter where they are built.


what is troublesome to me is Weinsteins NEXT step, which will almost certainly be to push this through the STATE Legislature.....

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure that it would apply on the level your thinking. (Disclaimer: I'm not a legal expert, just a smut puddler/sometimes producer offering his thoughts)

The vehicle emissions thing could be applied country wide because the pollution that a vehicle puts off affects everyone, everywhere. People who purchase cars drive them all over, spreading the pollutents throughout the air all over the country/world.

Porn, on the other hand, once purchased, is generally viewed within the confines of one's home. Additionally, viewing a video, looking at pictures, etc. does not pose any physical threat to anyone other than those who actually participated in the making of it.

Is Bob's health in Kentucky affected by pollution put off by cars manufactured in Detroit? Yes.
Is Bob's health in Kentucky affected by two people fucking without a condom in a video shot anywhere in the world? No.

Maybe I'm simplifying it too much. Maybe not. But a law passed in the city of Los Angeles shouldn't affect my filming in central PA. That's the equivilant of Harrisburg, PA passing a law that says "no characters can smoke in any film production," and thinking that it's going to change the way studios in Hollywood film their movies. I just don't see it happening or being enforcable, unless the federal government were to mandate it.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

think of it kinda like California emissions....if you have a dealership you cant sell cars that dont comply with California emissions, doesnt matter where they are built.

Just searching some more, and found this, though it is from 2009, and things may have changed since then:

http://www.lowmileageengines.com/eng...ission-engines

You might be asking what California emissions are, and what Federal emissions are. Federal emissions are the Federally mandated pollution standards that auto manufacturers have to meet nationwide. A vehicle with Federal emissions cannot release over a certain number of particulates per million into the atmosphere, and some cities/counties are under Federal mandate to inspect the vehicles of their residents before they issue tags or tag renewals. If the vehicle fails to pass, it must be fixed under these mandates. Federal emissions vehicles cannot be sold new in areas with California emissions. I?ll be honest and admit that I?m not certain if someone who owns a vehicle with Federal emissions can move to an area that requires California emissions and keep their vehicle.

California emissions vehicles have stricter emissions standards ? they have to release fewer particulates per million than their comparable Federal counterparts. Don?t let the name ?California emissions? trick you though ? New York and many states in New England require vehicles to have California emissions some years. It can get confusing.

So how do you identify what you have? There are a few ways. You can call your local dealership (read: the dealer that sells your brand of vehicle) with your VIN and they can decode it. A simpler way is to open up your hood (or bonnet, for our English brethren), and look on either the apron or the bottom side of the hood. There will be a tag there.

Here is how to decode that tag. 48 state emissions = Federal emissions. 50 State Emissions = California Emissions.

One last thing. Don?t assume that just because you?re in a state that doesn?t require California emissions that you will have a Federal emissions vehicle. It is perfectly legal to sell California emissions vehicles everywhere, and sometimes they slip into states that don?t require them!

It sounds to me from that article (at least when the article was written), it is/was common to have different vehicles manufactured to meet different emissions requirements. So that would mean that what's required in CA wouldn't affect me in PA unless PA adopted those requirements as well. I think that the same could be assumed from the condom law.

[mikesouth]

the problem is it is already a federal law. Its OSHA, blood borne pathogens....

My point here is if you don't like it...you better not ignore it....you can argue Im right or wrong all you like but in the end it aint gonna matter if all you are gonna do is argue whether or not it applies to you on a webmaster board.

[MaxCandy]

Wow, when does this start? Glad i am in EuroLand

[Porno Dan]

Very shortly there will be announcement that going forward all US adult film productions must be done with condoms.

Fines will be given out based on dates of productions on website updates and 2257 information on DVDs.

There will be no need for inspections, and this will be Federal.

Unless you can PROVE your production was shot outside of the United States, and the burden of PROOF is on producers you will be fined for shooting without a condom.

[pornguy]

I see a lost revenue stream for a state that can not afford to lose it.

[2intense]

i don't use condoms

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

the problem is it is already a federal law. Its OSHA, blood borne pathogens....

My point here is if you don't like it...you better not ignore it....you can argue Im right or wrong all you like but in the end it aint gonna matter if all you are gonna do is argue whether or not it applies to you on a webmaster board.

mike they tried this with UFC, MMA and got laughed out of court... what's next... football, basketball, hockey??? and no it doesn't matter to an internet salesman

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

the problem is it is already a federal law. Its OSHA, blood borne pathogens....

My point here is if you don't like it...you better not ignore it....you can argue Im right or wrong all you like but in the end it aint gonna matter if all you are gonna do is argue whether or not it applies to you on a webmaster board.

i think the main difference in OSHA (and ive taken the bloodborne pathogeons course for tattooing) is that OSHA really only covers a few things, such as where you work with blood and construction sites. OSHA for example, does not go into grocery stores and look for safety hazards LOL schools are riddled with safety issues and OSHA doesnt care. Its only work workplace environment where blood for example may be encountered during your shift, like a tattoo artist. Which is why its illegal to tattoo people out of your home in many areas and tattoo artists are licensed by the state, with OSHA course certs.

are they really using OSHA for this? I got tons of training when I did the oil spill and took quite a few OSHA courses...

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Very shortly there will be announcement that going forward all US adult film productions must be done with condoms.

Fines will be given out based on dates of productions on website updates and 2257 information on DVDs.

So the Feds are going to be watching all porn released in the US on DVD, and checking every update on many thousands of websites, just to be sure that condoms are being used? Really?

I don't believe it. But if I'm wrong, and it does happen, then I want one of those nice government jobs looking at porn for 40 hours a week.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by marcop

So the Feds are going to be watching all porn released in the US on DVD, and checking every update on many thousands of websites, just to be sure that condoms are being used? Really?

I don't believe it. But if I'm wrong, and it does happen, then I want one of those nice government jobs looking at porn for 40 hours a week.

as rob black once said: the only people in America forced to watch porn are the members of the jury

ahf is suggesting the $85 per shoot is assessed, for them I guessing, to help monitor the productions

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

You dont get it...

If the company doesnt comply their license is pulled and they are ut of biz....doesnt matter where you shoot...what matters is where yer business is located.

yes it opens a can of worms, but thats what they are "ironing out" now

this wont be good for porn valley based companies

Why would anyone want to base their company in Ca. anyway? It might be a pain but I see many companies just like in the mainstream world will be leaving California due to over taxing and over regulation.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Very shortly there will be announcement that going forward all US adult film productions must be done with condoms.

Fines will be given out based on dates of productions on website updates and 2257 information on DVDs.

There will be no need for inspections, and this will be Federal.

Unless you can PROVE your production was shot outside of the United States, and the burden of PROOF is on producers you will be fined for shooting without a condom.

Disagree with you. You need money to enforce the rules as you are describing and I don't see the state or the government taking money from health care, schools, senior citizens, etc. to go after porn.


Sound like a nice theory, but I don't see it happening.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Disagree with you. You need money to enforce the rules as you are describing and I don't see the state or the government taking money from health care, schools, senior citizens, etc. to go after porn.


Sound like a nice theory, but I don't see it happening.

as long as they don't pull any funds from illegal aliens it should be fine Dave. and normally I would agree with because what gov in it's right mind would spend money drive a profitable tax source out of the economey.... well... except LA that is...

[MaDalton]

probably nothing happens until you have a nutcase like Donny Long who catches something and goes bananas

[Jimmy Sinclair]

Companies should hire talent that is married, like my husband and I are, then it won't really matter if we use condoms or not. There are a lot of couples in porn just like us, and for once maybe the pro side of porn can actually have some real life sexual arousal in the scenes.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Barbi Sinclair

Companies should hire talent that is married, like my husband and I are, then it won't really matter if we use condoms or not. There are a lot of couples in porn just like us, and for once maybe the pro side of porn can actually have some real life sexual arousal in the scenes.

That condom law applies to everyone--even married couples. Sorry.

[Porno Dan]

Originally Posted by marcop

So the Feds are going to be watching all porn released in the US on DVD, and checking every update on many thousands of websites, just to be sure that condoms are being used? Really?

I don't believe it. But if I'm wrong, and it does happen, then I want one of those nice government jobs looking at porn for 40 hours a week.

No need for them to look at all the porn online, just the 25 to 30 big companies that still shoot all the time, and whose producers are foolish enough to brag that they aren't going to comply on boards like these.

[Jimmy Sinclair]

Originally Posted by marcop

That condom law applies to everyone--even married couples. Sorry.

Well that sucks!!!!! Really

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Exactly!!







And you know this how?? Because you shoot? Because you own a big company? Or are you posting because you want a higher post count next to your nick?

Yes I do, I bet my total holdings are bigger than yours, and why the fuck would I care how high my post count was?

[ilnjscb]

They just posted this all over and it clearly says "filmed within LA". There are numerous places where you can be arrested for any obscenity - unless it is adopted as a federal statute and enforced it will not apply to scenes filmed outside LA.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Very shortly there will be announcement that going forward all US adult film productions must be done with condoms.

Fines will be given out based on dates of productions on website updates and 2257 information on DVDs.

There will be no need for inspections, and this will be Federal.

Unless you can PROVE your production was shot outside of the United States, and the burden of PROOF is on producers you will be fined for shooting without a condom.

before they do that, they will have to legalize porn in every state. Until then, they can't enforce a law or by doing so they acknowledge that it is legal in all 50 states which will never happen.
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[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Barbi Sinclair

Companies should hire talent that is married, like my husband and I are, then it won't really matter if we use condoms or not. There are a lot of couples in porn just like us, and for once maybe the pro side of porn can actually have some real life sexual arousal in the scenes.

not....
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