DarkJedi

I guess there is no stigma like there used to be now.

SmutHammer

not many do porn compared to the population.

stocktrader23

Why do so many do porn with nasty ass guys for $300 is the question. I could understand getting in a bind and wanting $5000 or something but I wouldn't fuck someone on camera that I wanted to fuck for free and give away all rights forever for pocket change.

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Mutt

still stigma but less now since these girls and all their 18-30 year old friends know and watch porn at Pornhub and other big tube sites. and pretty much all girls in that age group are big cheating sluts now so when they try to make a girl feel bad about doing porn everybody they know knows that they are no better than the girl who takes the cock for Brazzers or RealityKings.

the more young chicks watch porn on tube sites and see girls their age on sites like MyFreeCams it will become easier for them to say 'wtf they're all doing it and making big bucks, why shouldn't I!'

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that's true but you can say the same thing about mainstream acting - how many girls do you know that have tried to pursue a legitimate acting career?

even regular modeling, there are a couple hundred thousand girls on Model Mayhem, only a % of them active - compare that number to the general population.

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DarkJedi

nowadays, there isnt any big bucks for talent anymore

Mutt

for LA porn chicks, they get paid the same as they did in the past, the popular girls work, the average ones don't. and nowadays pretty much all of them are doing escort work making very big money as 'PSE' - pornstar experience - prostitutes.

the talent never got huge bucks but 100-200K a year to a girl who otherwise would be working as a waitress at the Waffle House that's pretty big money.

even in VIVID's heyday most of their contract VIVID Girls were making under 100K a year in salary.

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no stigma? Less than 1 in 10,000 young chicks will do it no matter how much money is offered. As a model scout in a city with 10 million people I know this because I fly girls in from all over the nation, out of millions of girls in Cali I have to buy flights and recruit nationwide, thats how major the stigma is.

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way off bro - I work with these girls every day and 9 out of 10 of them can barely pay their rent and have beat up cars (or cant afford a car) and shitty apartments.. of course some of the girls make great money (especially if they are escorting) but they are the exceptions not the rule.

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DarkJedi

200k, kinda hard to believe

Mutt

because they spend their money as soon as or even before they get it.

you know how much these girls get paid per shoot - just look at a girl like Riley Reid and see how many shoots she's done already in her short career. And same for Malena Morgan, Elle Alexander, Rilee Marks - Shyla Jennings comes into LA for a couple weeks and she's booked up pretty solidly and she's no rookie anymore. You must be talking about the 'B' caliber girls, work runs out on them fast but it didn't last forever for them in the biggest days of porn.

if you're still recruiting girls show me them, why am I the only webmaster you won't shoot for cash for?

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Mutt

200K these days probably is pushing it.

but for a new hot girl that you see on FTVGirls, FuckedHard18, Brazzers, etc literally a week after they get into porn - 1000 per scene for those girls, more if they do anal. first month she is going to be able to do 20-30K in jobs. if she sticks around and is a pro she will definitely make over 100K.

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I know Shyla and some of the other girls you mentioned quite well... You would be surprised how often they are NOT booked and how many bookings are lower paying gigs.

Ask their agents and you will see how many of them are in debt and are calling up daily asking for work, while many sleep in bunk beds or live at home (parents) or in shitty roommate situations because they cant afford their own pad. And I'm definitely NOT talking about just the B caliber talent.

OH and I would be glad to shoot for you if you get rid of the fucking horse and put a GIF of one of your hotties in your sig

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Socks

Lets hope the prospective models don't see threads like these and agree with us :/

Jim_Gunn

As someone whose business in large part relies on shooting brand new girls for over a dozen clients all over the world as well as my own movies and tv shows, I have given this question a lot of thought. Thankfully there still are a fair amount of young girls getting into the porn business. I would say perhaps even more than ever since the early 1990s when I started recruting new girls on the East Coast. The mainstreaming and ubiquity of porn going back to the popularity of Jenna Jameson, Girls Gone Wild, the internet porn boom and nowadays tube sites, along with the ease of instantaneous communication with email, social networking and cell phones has certainly played a major factor in that. But the majority of the new girls just don't last very long. And by long I mean more than a few weeks.

Riley Reid is a good example. I shot her way back in March of 2011 as Paige Riley before almost anyone had even heard of her. And while I thought that she was sweet and cute, she was and is certainly not very much hotter than many of the girls I shoot on a weekly or monthly basis, especially with her large spine tattoo and mild acne. I would never have guessed that she would become so popular, and it's really only explainable by the fact that she ended up in LA and made the rounds for weeks until other producers shot her and months until fans caught on to her. Many of the other hot girls I shoot disappear after a brief career for all kinds of reasons from they met their short term goal (court courts & restitution typically), due to boyfriend issues, parents finding out they did porn a week after they started and similar reasons. It doesn't really matter that they *could* potentially make $100k in a year with movies, photoshoots and webcams if they work most days every week like a regular job. Most of the time it just won't happen due to a lack of work ethic, personal issues and lack of opportunities if they aren't one of the hotttest girls working the scene.

There's definitely decent money in a porm career if a girl wants to work it for several months to a year at least. But the reality is that most won't and even if they do, the majority of them are irresponsible with their money and will have nothing to show for it anyway. To satisfy my voracious appetite for new talent and to satisfy all my commitments and maximize my opportunitites, I too end up bringing in new models from all over the country. The more new girls I recruit or cast, the better business is. So as far as I am concerned there are never enough new girls!

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stocktrader23

If you have to do movies, photoshoots and webcams to make $100,000 per year I'd skip the first two and stick with webcams where you can make that alone and without sucking on strange dick. If these girls only knew that they'd make twice as much promoting the cam site creatively than they do on cam it would be game over.

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Jim_Gunn

That may be what *you* say you would do. But most young people in general- male or female- rely on being told what to do to make a living. Most people in general aren't self starters and entrepreneurs and even if they were to be given a step by step guide as to how they *might* make more money doing x, y and/or z on their own, it's not the same thing as a concrete guarantee of say, $800 for x hours of work taking photos and sucking and fucking the penis of a random porn dude.

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Paul Markham

Where are you getting your info from?

I would say this is closer to the truth. Few girls would ever of thought of doing porn, even in the early days. What were the big lures aren't anymore. A decent looking girl with a good attitude could earn $1,000 a week without doing hardcore. Do hardcore and that would double or treble. And the odds were she would stay anonymous.

Today few girls earn a lot of money. There's simply not the production there was, even before the Internet there was far more production than today, discounting the little Ma & Pa operations who pay rubbish. Even with those there's very little today.

The money is also crap, simply put content production budgets are so squeezed there's little left to pay most models.

Then the biggest deterrent is the odds on getting found out and an end to a career, possibility of a good career, stigma, etc. Girls never hear stories of girlfriends who did porn and no one knows. They hear stories of girls who did it and get found out, they hear of all the free porn on Pornhub. Anyone who thinks that makes it acceptable for them to do porn, is kidding themselves. It might make porn acceptable, but for them to get seen with a dick in their ass while screaming "Ram the big cock into my tight teen ass" isn't going to go down well with their friends or family.

However during a recession there were always more girls who would do anything to earn money. Today there's hooking, stripping, lap dancing, etc.

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Yes the first few weeks or months everyone wants to shoot her. Been the same since 1990. Then she's a known face and it's purely down to her looks, attitude and her ability to sell herself on the image that dictates her earnings.

How many times will one of the big studios book her and for how long?

The get out clause for you is the last part. if she sticks around and is a pro she will definitely make over 100K. Most don't because there simply isn't the money for them. This game has been about finding new faces, "shooting them to death" and going onto the next one. The % of girls who are able to stick around for a year is low, longer even lower. They simply do not have what it takes to sell month after month.

ST if webcam girls were all making $100,000 a year there would be no studios in Eastern Europe. They would all be in the US.

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stocktrader23

I didn't say all of anyone was making $100,000 per year because most people are stupid. But I could take a cam girl doing $50,000 to $100,000 per year and push her to a quarter of a million or more without expecting her to do more work. That's after my cut of course.

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mikesouth

Wow I'm shocked that not one person here actually understands the psychology behind why most of the girls who do porn choose to do it.

Stunned.....And no I'm not going to tell you, but in fairness should you get it right I will recognize that.

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adendreams

Ok well do you count me as one of those who doesn't understand the psychology of porn girls? I have shot hundreds and I am with them every day so please.... I know them inside and out, quite literally.

You must be talking about the need for attention because of the lack of it given by their father? Or sexual abuse.. thats a biggie of course. Or the raw desire for money and shopping spree's thats number 1 in my book. BUT fame? No. Like I said in the other thread I find that WAY more girls get into porn hoping to make some cash but keep it a secret from their families, than those wanting to get big and famous in porn.

But they go into porn DESPITE the enormous stigma so I couldnt disagree with the OP more. In fact I dont think the stigma has declined at all over the years.

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alextokyo

Wait, you're claiming to understand women?

adendreams

This is a HUGE reason girls go into porn these days (I interview many many first timers and I hear this a lot)

"I have been masturbating to porn since I was little" "I have know for years that when I turned 18 I wanted to do it"

sick but true

youngsters access to porn is nearly ubiquitous and most girls are doing nude camming for their boyfriends long before they are 18

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Frank21

A few hundred thousend on 4 billion girls isnt that much me thinks.
Besides that whoring is the oldest occupation for girls, and still the only thing they are realy good in.

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Mutt

why is it sick? i believe little boys and girls have been playing with their private parts since we were cavemen.

i've never thought porn was bad - i think girls who cheat are bad.

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Daddy issues definitely are a factor - just one factor though. I think the odds of a girl with a very good relationship with her father doing porn is very low simply because the girl wouldn't want to do anything to embarass her father or disappoint him. unless of course the father and family are super liberal hippy types or swingers or whatever.

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Maybe we should question why nasty ass guys do porn? There are so many.

I'm SOOOOO tired of seeing content where the guy's GUT is hanging out while he bangs a chick. Especially when the guy is standing. Fuck it's gross.

Where are all the HOT MEN doing hardcore out there? Like Joel Lawrence and I can't remember that guy's name with the long hair. Guys who can throw the cock, and look good doing it. As a female who likes straight porn, I can't stand seeing ugly losers with a cute chick. Ugh.

I guess all the hottest male porn stars are the GAY ones.

Anyone want consulting on porn sites for women, hit me up I'll give you a good rate.

oh yeah, and don't even let me get started on the oral sex... good gawd.

slapass

I would think the stigma is higher. I know girls who did some shoots back in 2003 and everyone knows their stage name and has seen their videos. Pretty hard to keep it a secret where as no one had a clue when the internet was new.

Trolleater

A super small fraction do porn.

Trolleater

"Most girls", huh pal? Again, a very small fraction do stuff like that, even for their boyfriends.

Socks

I'm guessing it's the need to feel attractive and wanted, to prove to themselves they're "good enough", and likely for the rush too. But for girls that do crazy hardcore - likely very different reasons.

Paul Markham

Classifying all girls who do porn under one label is so silly I will not discuss it.

After 3 decades I would say the reasons are varied a bit.

1. Money is top of the tree.
2. Money is the branches of the tree.
3. Money is the trunk of the tree.
4. Money is the root of the tree.

The rest is so small it's not to be bothered with. That's why girls answer ads, turn up to work, can be made to work and come back. And why they disappear when the money drops. The need for sex is much easier to satisfy than doing porn. Attention, well show me the girl who doesn't like attention, even the beautiful can be swayed by attention from beautiful guys. It's losers who think other wise.

I've met girls who will tell you it's about other reasons, bottom line is, take the money away and they walk. Yes they may have some of these traits as well, liking sex, attention, low esteem, etc. Take the money out of the equation and see how long she stays for the sex, attention and to boost her esteem.

Aden, only newbies believe what comes out of a girls mouth when she's trying to get you to pay her $500 for a days work. I will let you into a little secret, it was told to me many years ago and done me very well over the years. So well it changed my approach and made me a better shooter, person, lover, cook, tea maker, and generally a better man.

Girls can lie to get money. Guard the secret well and consider it when interviewing new models.

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bronco67

Because 18 year old girls haven't developed the part of their brain that considers long term consequences for their actions -- and I thank god for that.

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There is no one answer nor one psychology. Pretending to know the answer is ridiculous.

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adendreams

Yes Pal MOST - in the US at least.. I would say that the majority of all 12-16 year olds in the USA are doing nude camming for their boyfriends or at least trading nude pics. It's incredibly prevalent, FAR more than most parents would ever realize.. you have a daughter? Is that why you take offense to these facts?

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QFT!

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they do it for fun

they want big cocks

they want army of fans to jrk on their vids

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I used to travel with my X alot while she shot porn. It was a fun lifestyle, of corse the main goal was make money. but after paying hotels, eating out. shopping everyday. we pretty much came home with change. we did buy alot of stuff and had fun traveling and shooting though. Oh, and she liked the whole "fame" thing.

bronco67

I'm sure there's a few 30 year olds also.

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mikesouth

OK I will tell ya...you knew I would

Money is just the icing on the cake....I dont claim to understand women...AT ALL...but one thing I have learned in 20 years doing this biz with first timers.....Its all about validation that they are pretty.

Nothing is true for everyone but this is one of the over-riding reasons I still see all the time.

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It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

ArsewithClass

Exactly... many more want to be singers or dancers


I think the whole adult business is more open now. We speak & act more openly about porn or the fantasy jobs we want to do. This allows us to bring our fantasy, reality

ilnjscb

I have to take issue with the 1 in 10,000 number.

Assuming that Modelmayhem, sexyjobs and onemodelplace are the largest three where erotic models advert, and that only a portion of models who are available advert (if you don't accept this, you don't know shit), and that the census says there are 40 million women in the age range we are talking about, then the ratio is more 1 in 1000.

For prostitutes, who have less risk of discovery but much more risk in other ways, the numbers based on number of arrests (and not all are arrested) are 100,000.

""It is difficult to estimate the number of persons who currently work, or have ever worked as prostitutes for many reasons including the various definitions of prostitution. National arrest figures [in the United States] range over 100,000. The National Task Force on Prostitution suggests that over one million people in the US have worked as prostitutes in the United States, or about 1% of American women."

I know that prostitutes and porn talent differ greatly, but considering that porn has the added attraction of the possibility fame, such as it is, I very much doubt the ratio is 1 to 100 to porn talent.

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Did it ever occur to you guys that every person has their own reasons for getting into sex work? You can't say they ALL must have one particular thing in common.

Paul Markham

Yes having a cock in your ass while screaming "Ram it in hard." is the perfect validation to being pretty.

So all your girls once they are chosen to do some work and have their validation, don't turn up.

Because what's the point, they have the validation.

Seriously see the number one to four reasons I gave to get a clue.

Without the need to earn money, they don't turn up. how many shooters have broke girls phone them every week asking for work, how many have had a girl not turn up because she's had a good week, how many have used the threat of do it right or go home without the money, how many have interviewed girls and had the "How much will I get paid" come up as the top or near top question?

Never had a girl ask, am I picking her because she's pretty. In fact with some, that's a hurdle you need to get across. They know or believe they are pretty and don't have to do more then turn up at a bar to get attention. These are the real money earners if you can direct them. Yes they like being told they're pretty, good, sexy, look great in that pose, outfit etc. And this is why why flirting and flattery works well on set. Still the #1 reason she's there, is to get paid.

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