Ha Ha! Goodbye Gasoline Part 2! Meet the All-Wheel Drive ALL ELECTRIC SUV!

[2MuchMark]

Amazing!

Tesla Motors does it again:



http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx

- All wheel drive SUV
- All Electric (not a Hybrid)
- 0 to 60 MPH in under 5 seconds. (Faster than most Gasoline SUV's)
- Dual "Falcon Wing" doors (Woah!)

Go Tesla!

[AllAboutCams]

it looks fucking disgusting plus i like the smell of gas

[JFK]

Originally Posted by xxxupdate

it looks fucking disgusting plus i like the smell of gas

[DVTimes]

Most electric cars go faster than gas cars.

the dowside of electric is the batteries.

they are heavy and need to be replaced every few years.

they are also expensive (batteries).

but electric cars will be the main cars soon.

why?

1. cheap to run.

2. most car parks will have electric charging posts.

[calvinawe]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Most electric cars go faster than gas cars.

the dowside of electric is the batteries.

they are heavy and need to be replaced every few years.

they are also expensive (batteries).

but electric cars will be the main cars soon.

why?

1. cheap to run.

2. most car parks will have electric charging posts.

3. we can finally breathe in big cities

[ottopottomouse]

Worst photoshop i've ever seen.

[Rochard]

This is old news.

I'm stunned and disappointed that someone with big bucks hasn't given this company billions to jump start them. While Ford and GM are dicking around with hybrids, this company is making great cars that have the range - and are even faster then Ford and GM's sports cars.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is old news.

I'm stunned and disappointed that someone with big bucks hasn't given this company billions to jump start them. While Ford and GM are dicking around with hybrids, this company is making great cars that have the range - and are even faster then Ford and GM's sports cars.

the fact you are living in the US you should already have the answer to that... not a shot at americans but think about it. The US (and canada for that matter) are huge countries full of people who love long road trips, living in the suburbs far from the inner cities, want to be able to do these things whenever they want and will need a vehicle that can reasonably accommodate these things. Electric cars need to be plugged in, not for minutes at a station, but for HOURS! Batteries need to be replaced every few years??? Those things don't cost 100 bucks, it would equate to replacing your engine block every 3 years. How cost effective is that? Do i even have to mention the waste that this would cause disposing of these toxic sludge batteries as well?

They are ideal for short trips, small commutes so they aren't useless, but they are long from being the norm in this contenant. Not in our lifetime anyway. Although they may be more useful in Europe, especially with gas prices out there.

[fuzebox]

Clever marketing to the consumer who doesn't matter. Let me know when they start making 18 wheelers with a range of 1000 miles.

[globofun]

Not a real SUV, but I like the doors!

[bronco67]

While we're on the subject, does anyone have any experience with a good SUV Hybrid? I want to get a new Ford Escape Hybrid when my Nissan lease is up in September, but they're discontinuing that model.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is old news.

I'm stunned and disappointed that someone with big bucks hasn't given this company billions to jump start them. While Ford and GM are dicking around with hybrids, this company is making great cars that have the range - and are even faster then Ford and GM's sports cars.

In the uk in London the g-wiz car (in other countries it has a different name - its indian made) seems to sell. Its cheap and you can park it free. you do not pay congestion tax. and its cheap on road tax. it does 40 miles, but if your only doing a few miles each day its ideal.

big firms are making electric versions of there cars (such as ford) but they are very expensive.

the downside is charging.

unless you have a garage it makes charging at home a pain.

i suspect we will see small firms do well who can build cheap electric cars, rather than the big firms who will make expensive ones.

i have seen a few firms make simple cheap cars. these are basicly, 4 wheels, a plastic body, motor and a batery. cheap and simple.

the big firms are going for complex cars. expensive.

other advantqages of electric is that they keep going. very little to go wrong. and lets face it, most trams and underground trains are electric and do thousands of milesw for years and years and years.

i suspect most supermarketys will provide free charging. lets face it, charging points will not cost a great deal to install and a bit of free electricity will not be noticed in the amount they spend.

also i supect most countries will offer some sort of tax refund for installing them.

lets face it, if such as the usa where fuel is cheap are interested, then you can see such as uk where fuel is expensive will be interested.

one big game changer could be china. all they need to do is make cheap electric cars. they will sell in million to china bringing the cost down, thus selling them to uk and usa very cheap.

in 10 years electric cars will be the norm.

[Axelo9]

nice for saving gas!

[DVTimes]

http://www.greencarsite.co.uk/econew...-smart-car.htm

If I was gettiong an el;ectric car, this is what I would opt for.

Its got good milege, and its cool.

I bet this will be popular in the UK.

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

the fact you are living in the US you should already have the answer to that... not a shot at americans but think about it. The US (and canada for that matter) are huge countries full of people who love long road trips, living in the suburbs far from the inner cities, want to be able to do these things whenever they want and will need a vehicle that can reasonably accommodate these things. Electric cars need to be plugged in, not for minutes at a station, but for HOURS! Batteries need to be replaced every few years??? Those things don't cost 100 bucks, it would equate to replacing your engine block every 3 years. How cost effective is that? Do i even have to mention the waste that this would cause disposing of these toxic sludge batteries as well?

They are ideal for short trips, small commutes so they aren't useless, but they are long from being the norm in this contenant. Not in our lifetime anyway. Although they may be more useful in Europe, especially with gas prices out there.

Your problem is you are not looking into the future you're only seeing it as they are now and think that's as far as they will go.

My sister got a car phone back around 1985. While it was cool to have a phone in the car it also sucked because you could only get reception in a very limited area. Someone with your viewpoint would look at that phone and say what good is it really? You can barely use it and when you need it most you won't be able because of the lack of reception. Look at where we are with phones today.

We are only at the beginning of electric vehicles for everyday use and they've come a long way in just a few short years. They are the future. Don't be so short sighted

[alextokyo]

Originally Posted by **********

Amazing!

Tesla Motors does it again:



http://www.teslamotors.com/modelx

- All wheel drive SUV
- All Electric (not a Hybrid)
- 0 to 60 MPH in under 5 seconds. (Faster than most Gasoline SUV's)
- Dual "Falcon Wing" doors (Woah!)

Go Tesla!

Terrible photoshopping, it's all blurry & shit.

Looks like it's been censored or something.

[Tom_PM]

I posted this website like 6 or 7 years ago. AWD all electric, 70 miles per charge, 30 minute charge time. http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/vehi...ifications.php

[spazlabz]

honestly, where is the SUV? That just looks like a car with an eating disorder to me. When I think SUV I think explorer, expedition, escalade etc

I like the all electric concept though and its not a bad looking car

[HomerSimpson]

http://fliiby.com/file/138408/l2n3kk3gm1.html

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Clever marketing to the consumer who doesn't matter. Let me know when they start making 18 wheelers with a range of 1000 miles.

GE has made those for years.

They are called "locomotives".

[seeandsee]

When they make all cars on electricity, price of electricity will rise to sky rocket and we are fucked!

[flashfire]

you forgot to post the price and the price of replacement batteries every couple years, lack of interior heating ect.

[Coup]

SUV? all suvs are just stubby station wagons

[John-ACWM]

Looks decent. It will be maybe more than decades until the humanity will switch to all electric.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

The US (and canada for that matter) are huge countries full of people who love long road trips, living in the suburbs far from the inner cities, want to be able to do these things whenever they want and will need a vehicle that can reasonably accommodate these things. Electric cars need to be plugged in, not for minutes at a station, but for HOURS!

Not exactly right.

To charge your car at home at 110 Volts takes 8 hours, but you can buy 220 volt charging stations (expensive though) that charge your car in 30 minutes. There are now even solar chargers available (wow!)

The charging stations are already available and being sold to service stations already in California. It is also a business opportunity because the amount of electricity required is much less than the cost of gas, so there is a much greater profit potential for the service stations.

The average person travels less than 25 miles a day to and from work. Most of that time is spent in traffic. Gas is being burned. The money you spend on gas is being converted directly into heat and pollution.

For long distance travel the Tesla's get 300 Miles on a single charge. The Chevy Volt (A Hybrid) and the Nissan Leaf get only about 75 miles on a charge. This is still pretty good however as much as I love electric, I too would suffer "distance anxiety" if I thought I could "only" drive 75 miles even when I never do. I as a consumer feel much better with a 300 mile range as it is actually better than most gas cars and suv's.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Batteries need to be replaced every few years??? Those things don't cost 100 bucks, it would equate to replacing your engine block every 3 years. How cost effective is that?

Not true. The batteries are guaranteed for 8 years (see http://www.teslamotors.com/models/facts) .

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Do i even have to mention the waste that this would cause disposing of these toxic sludge batteries as well?

While there might be some, most of the battery components can be recycled. The pollution from batteries is far less than gas and oil.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

They are ideal for short trips, small commutes so they aren't useless,

Not true at all.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

but they are long from being the norm in this contenant. Not in our lifetime anyway.

Are you planning on dying in the next 3 years? You can already buy electric cars at Telsa, Nisan and Chevy. BMW has an electric car coming out next year. I bet that 10% of the cars on the road will be all electric within 6 or 7 years, hopefully sooner.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Although they may be more useful in Europe, especially with gas prices out there.

What you pay at the pump for a gallon of gas is only a part of the overall cost. Add pollution, rising health costs due to lung based illnesses, destruction to the environment ($20 Billing in damage and counting to the Gulf coast and other places.

Electric! Yay!

[96ukssob]

their cars are pimp fucking tastic. Id love to get one

[PR_Glen]

ok hippies, it would take me all day to pick apart your tid bits of mis information so i'll try some point form to save us all some time.

-too expensive now, doesn't appeal to enough people that can afford it which means sales will struggle and price will take a while to go down.

-still have not come up with a viable solution to refueling times. They have capabilities of recharging a battery in 30 mins?? awesome! where you going to stop for that besides your house? Have fun driving in big circles...

-regards to the cell phone analogy. Cell phone sizes have gotten smaller yes, but the battery sizes have hardly changed much at all. Giant batteries will make for giant toxic waste so environment issues are suspect long term. Where did you get the idea that electric cars are new? this is not new technology in the least, this has been around for 100 years or so..

-companies don't care about air pollution, never have never will so you using this as an argument as to why they will magically start caring and make these for such a reason is nonsense.

people who can afford these things fly.. they don't go on long road trips unless its in a giant RV maybe but how many batteries would it take to move one of those?

[Klen]

Lol at posters claiming how this will become standard in 10 years.All electric so far which i'v seen,have such a outraging price only super rich can afford it.Even in my country,Croatia they making a electric car but only for super rich since it cost 1 million euros.Make a cheap electric car which will not cost more then 10000 euros,then we can talk.

[halfpint]

there are a lot of hybrids over here in the UK now

[webair]

wow thats hot! Im going to look into that

[Si]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

ok hippies, it would take me all day to pick apart your tid bits of mis information so i'll try some point form to save us all some time.

-too expensive now, doesn't appeal to enough people that can afford it which means sales will struggle and price will take a while to go down.

-still have not come up with a viable solution to refueling times. They have capabilities of recharging a battery in 30 mins?? awesome! where you going to stop for that besides your house? Have fun driving in big circles...

-regards to the cell phone analogy. Cell phone sizes have gotten smaller yes, but the battery sizes have hardly changed much at all. Giant batteries will make for giant toxic waste so environment issues are suspect long term. Where did you get the idea that electric cars are new? this is not new technology in the least, this has been around for 100 years or so..

-companies don't care about air pollution, never have never will so you using this as an argument as to why they will magically start caring and make these for such a reason is nonsense.

people who can afford these things fly.. they don't go on long road trips unless its in a giant RV maybe but how many batteries would it take to move one of those?

Great points

Add to that: Electric cars cause more pollution in the build process, mainly from making the batteries with the materials being shipped all over the place.

The electricity going to that battery is only green if it is green energy making that electricity. If that electricity is being produced coal or oil anyway, what is the point?

Hydrogen is the way forward, or bio-ethanol. If you can't see how bad electric cars are then you need a wake up call, the technology isn't there yet and others are soon to take over.

[digitalfantasies]

I like it... how much?

[media]

thats a crossover, not an SUV..

[baddog]

There is no electric car that is going to replace the gasoline powered car in the near future. Only someone that does not have a family or goes anywhere more than 25 miles from their home will find them enticing.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

http://fliiby.com/file/138408/l2n3kk3gm1.html

Top Gear Lied. The rigged the test, and they got caught.
http://jalopnik.com/5786995/tesla-su...ctric-car-test

And they got sued for it.
http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/for...p-gear-lawsuit

http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-...-roadster-lies

"Top Gear" exempt from the BBC's editorial guidelines
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...5/top-gear-bbc

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

ok hippies, it would take me all day to pick apart your tid bits of mis information so i'll try some point form to save us all some time.

There is alot more misinformation spewed by the oil and coal companies than the electric car company.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

-too expensive now, doesn't appeal to enough people that can afford it which means sales will struggle and price will take a while to go down.

The first Tesla was the Roadster at $100,000. The Tesla Model S can be purchased for about $50,000 (or $1000 a month on a purchase, or $483 a month standard lease) - very affordable for most car buyers. So prices are already coming down, and they are already becoming affordable.

There is also a $5000 + incentive from both the US and Canadian governments now to buy electric.

If you fill your take twice a month in Montreal you are paying about $120 a month or $1500 a year in Gas. An electric card will cost you $8.00 a month or $96.00 per year in energy.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

-still have not come up with a viable solution to refueling times. They have capabilities of recharging a battery in 30 mins?? awesome! where you going to stop for that besides your house? Have fun driving in big circles...

OMG. Really? A full charge gets you over 250 miles "today" and probably longer tomorrow. I would understand the distance anxiety if the range was only 50 miles or so, but 250? If you're driving a few states over that is 4 hours of non-stop driving. You really wouldn't want to stretch your legs and have a bite to eat while you recharge your car for only $4.00?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

-regards to the cell phone analogy. Cell phone sizes have gotten smaller yes, but the battery sizes have hardly changed much at all.

I guess you are too young to remember these

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Giant batteries will make for giant toxic waste so environment issues are suspect long term.

You're wrong. You are so wrong. The batteries aren't giant - they are tiny. The battery packs are made up of small Lithium Ion cells like the ones in your cellphone and laptop. The batteries content no heavy metals and no toxic materials. They are also recyclable. On top of that they produce clean energy without any of the toxic byproducts of gasoline.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Where did you get the idea that electric cars are new? this is not new technology in the least, this has been around for 100 years or so..

I didn't. I said the Model X was new. It's the first SUV (or crossover) that I've seen. And you're right - electric cars were invented 100 years ago but were crushed by the oil companies. The same thing happened about 11 years ago too.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

-companies don't care about air pollution, never have never will so you using this as an argument as to why they will magically start caring and make these for such a reason is nonsense.

Oil companies don't care, but people do. If people realize how bad oil is and start asking for alternatives such as electric cars, companies will want to satisfy and profit from that demand.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

people who can afford these things fly..

It's impractical to fly to work, to your friends, or out to the country. Weak argument.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

they don't go on long road trips unless its in a giant RV maybe but how many batteries would it take to move one of those?

The model X seats 7 passengers + the driver.


*HUGS!*

[tedwinters]

Originally Posted by Si

Great points

Add to that: Electric cars cause more pollution in the build process, mainly from making the batteries with the materials being shipped all over the place.

The electricity going to that battery is only green if it is green energy making that electricity. If that electricity is being produced coal or oil anyway, what is the point?

Hydrogen is the way forward, or bio-ethanol. If you can't see how bad electric cars are then you need a wake up call, the technology isn't there yet and others are soon to take over.

Yup - mostly coal generation for electricity up here...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the entire battery pack replacement for a tesla $30,000?
It's also 1,000 pounds, 7ft by 4ft..
And only lasts 3 years.
Imagine a landfill stacked with those!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Si

Great points
Add to that: Electric cars cause more pollution in the build process, mainly from making the batteries with the materials being shipped all over the place.

Part shipping occurs in every manufacturing process, not just electric cars. The batteries used in electric cars contain no heavy metals and can be recycled.

Originally Posted by Si

The electricity going to that battery is only green if it is green energy making that electricity. If that electricity is being produced coal or oil anyway, what is the point?

This depends on where you live. Canadians get most of their electrify from clean hydro electric dams and nuclear. Some Canadian electricity is sold to the US too, but you're right. The US gets 52.57% of its electricity from Coal which is too bad. Only 20% is from Nuclear and 2.39% is from other renewable energy. If the US could bend these numbers that would be cool.

Originally Posted by Si

Hydrogen is the way forward,

Nooooo... A Hydrogen car is still an electric car - it just uses a Hydrogen fuel cell to seperate protons and electrons from the Hydrogen fuel to generate electricity instead of a battery. One cool thing: While the electrons are used for energy, the left over protons become a hydro ion (a hydrogen atom with a positive charge) which will then bond with oxygen atoms, making your car's exhaust drinkable water! (Steam actually because its very hot, but still)

The problem with Hydrogen is that it is expensive. The best way to make Hydrogen is by passing electricity through water in a process known as electrolysis and it takes alot of energy to do it. It's also very explosive, requires special handling, takes up much more room in your car than batteries do, and requires an expensive delivery infrastructure.

Originally Posted by Si

or bio-ethanol.

No..! This means converting farms to grow fuel instead of food. It too is expensive and polluting and is a "big a health risk as gasoline" according to Stanford University.

Originally Posted by Si

If you can't see how bad electric cars are then you need a wake up call, the technology isn't there yet and others are soon to take over.

Maybe you want to take another look. Electric isn't "here, yet", but its definitely getting a little closer every day. I drove a Tesla Roadster twice already and besides the speed, the "thrill" for me was that it finally felt like a piece of the future had arrived. I'm really looking forward to seeing electric cars on the street.

[tedwinters]

Originally Posted by **********

You're wrong. You are so wrong. The batteries aren't giant - they are tiny. The battery packs are made up of small Lithium Ion cells like the ones in your cellphone and laptop. The batteries content no heavy metals and no toxic materials. They are also recyclable.

Are you still talking about the tesla batteries? The *cells* are tiny, but the battery is composed of thousands of cells... You replace them all when the battery goes. for $36,000 when I last checked.

Originally Posted by **********

On top of that they produce clean energy without any of the toxic byproducts of gasoline.

Batteries don't produce energy, they store energy. Where they get that energy depends from, but North America has a lot of coal generation, as well as hydro and Nuclear.
Not that clean or environmentally friendly...
*edit* I see in your last reply that you know the energy generation stats

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by tedwinters

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the entire battery pack replacement for a tesla $30,000?

They don't say, however, they do guarantee the batteries for 8 years. If they do cost $30k today, I'm guessing (hoping!) that they will be alot cheaper 8 years from now.

Originally Posted by tedwinters

It's also 1,000 pounds, 7ft by 4ft..

990 pounds dammit! But don't forget there's alot of things that this car does not have that a Gasoline car does. No crank shaft, no transmission, no radiator, no pistons, no push rods, no carburator or fuel injector, etc.

Originally Posted by tedwinters

And only lasts 3 years.

No, they last a minimum of 8 years.

Originally Posted by tedwinters

Imagine a landfill stacked with those!

They can be recycled.

And besides there are other things filling up the landfills:

[Due]

How well does the electric cars work with being stuck in traffic and running the AC + Radio? Does any of them have the paint coat on them that'll recharge the battery from the sun?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Due

How well does the electric cars work with being stuck in traffic and running the AC + Radio? Does any of them have the paint coat on them that'll recharge the battery from the sun?

An electric car stuck in traffic will still use alot less energy than a gas car. A Gas engine has to turn a generator to run your creature comforts. Over 90% of the energy is lost to exhaust and heat just to move the car, much more is lost when the car is standing still. Not true of electric.

[BFT3K]

I'll never understand the idiot mind that fights FOR the status quo of Big Oil, no matter how ass-backwards and self-destructive that energy source is.

Most of these mouth breathers HAVE to be Republitards, as this type of antiquated mindset is the antithesis of Progressive.

When you feed new ideas, they grow. When they are squashed by the very industry that they threaten, they die. How stupid can you be?!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=mqwb8DhOBqI

[BFT3K]

[Si]

People moaning about "big oil" will end up moaning about "big electricity" probably in the end.

[chaze]

Yeah I love it, can't wait until they have more charging stations.

[vdbucks]

Would someone with an engineering background explain why they don't design the cars to recharge while driving?

Motion creates electricity, there is plenty of motion in a car (4 wheels constantly turning while driving)... so why haven't they used what's already there to create an electric car actually worth buying?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by vdbucks

Would someone with an engineering background explain why they don't design the cars to recharge while driving?

Motion creates electricity, there is plenty of motion in a car (4 wheels constantly turning while driving)... so why haven't they used what's already there to create an electric car actually worth buying?

Already done!

When you step on the brakes, some of the energy from your car's forward momentum is pushed into the ground, while the rest is transformed into heat, slowing your car down.

In an electric car, stepping on the brakes uses the spin of the wheels to turn an on-board electric generator that puts alot of the energy that is normally lost in regular brakes, back into the battery. This is called "regenerative braking".

[Odin]

Nice car. I like

[alextokyo]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Even in my country,Croatia