how can you tell if google thinks an inlink from site is bad ie : bad neighborhood and will penal

[American Psycho]

how can you tell if google thinks an inlink from site is bad ie : bad neighborhood and will penalize?

[TheSquealer]

Before the idiots chime in with total nonsense

1) - You cant know. Only Google knows. They update their own search algo's 100s of times per year

2) - "Bad neighborhood" was a reference to a page linking to blatant spam - i.e. a parasite page on tumblr about new homes or parks in new york linking out 1000 times to nothing but viagra, cialis etc etc etc.

3) - The more you worry about the nuances of SEO (most of which are typically perceived or myth) - the more you are going to fuck yourself. build. link. build.

[DaCaptain]

If the site is old and has a greybar that is one indicator. If you google the url and it does not show up that is another, unless the site is very new. If it flags your anti virus software, that is a third.

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Before the idiots chime in with total nonsense

1) - You cant know. Only Google knows. They update their own search algo's 100s of times per year

2) - "Bad neighborhood" was a reference to a page linking to blatant spam - i.e. a parasite page on tumblr about new homes or parks in new york linking out 1000 times to nothing but viagra, cialis etc etc etc.

3) - The more you worry about the nuances of SEO (most of which are typically perceived or myth) - the more you are going to fuck yourself. build. link. build.

Thanks all makes sense...

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

If the site is old and has a greybar that is one indicator. If you google the url and it does not show up that is another, unless the site is very new. If it flags your anti virus software, that is a third.

grey bar where?

[American Psycho]

is PR a good way to tell?

is searching site: and link: in google a way to tell?

[American Psycho]

this is cool! http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/text-link-tool.htm

[raymor]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

is PR a good way to tell?

is searching site: and link: in google a way to tell?

PR doesn't say anything about "bad neighborhoods". PR is quite simply this:
what weighted percentage of all links on the web point to this page? The weighting being the PR of the linking page, divided by the number of links on the page, recursive.

Though PR is often expressed as a exponential value, PR is actually a floating point number between between zero and one - a percentage. The sum PR of all pages is by definition 1.00.

PR itself cannot be made complex by adding all kinds of special cases (like bad neighbirhoods) because of they did that, it would no longer sum to 1.00 and the recursion would crash.

[porno jew]

will linking TO sites that are deindexed, harboring malware, are dead / dropped hurt your rankings? yes.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

This is absolutely not true. Google uses partners similar to stopforumspam.com for blogs, forums, etc. In short, honeypots for link spammers. I know this for a fact because I've collected them for years and have 100's.

The question is "how can you tell if Google thinks..."... not "Does Google know..." The simple answer is you can't know what Google "thinks", other than knowing your site is banned. A site dropping from #3 to 900 can be for a few reasons.

Further, my point was that this stuff is totally irrelevant to someone if they aren't doing shady shit on a large scale and knowingly pushing the limits. 99% of these questions are about people worrying about nothing, myth and hype, who should just be building their sites and going about their business.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The question is "how can you tell if Google thinks..."... not "Does Google know..." The simple answer is you can't know what Google "thinks", other than knowing your site is banned. A site dropping from #3 to 900 can be for a few reasons.

finally...

[SmokeyTheBear]

google does not penalize you for inlinks regardless, the WORST case scenario is it doesn't do you any good.

if google did "penalize" a site for inlinks , bad guys would simply linkbomb enemies to have their serps drop

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

This is absolutely not true. Google uses partners similar to stopforumspam.com for blogs, forums, etc. In short, honeypots for link spammers. I know this for a fact because I've collected them for years and have 100's.

so then you could lower someone else's rank by simply link spamming for them..?

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

google does not penalize you for inlinks regardless, the WORST case scenario is it doesn't do you any good.

if google did "penalize" a site for inlinks , bad guys would simply linkbomb enemies to have their serps drop

I think it does affect domains not so established. Have a relatively new domain hitting some keywords? watch them drop by buying 50 shitty links.

[anexsia]

Ugh this shit happened to me...I had a blog that was making sales like crazy when I first made it and Google was sending nice traffic...then suddenly all Google traffic went to ZERO...it's still indexed but on Google Webmaster Tools it says "No Impressions" so now I'm only getting traffic from Bing and Yahoo. I can't understand why, it's like all of my other blogs and this is the first blog I have ever had this happen too. I'm hoping it ends up getting traffic from Google again.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

google does not penalize you for inlinks regardless, the WORST case scenario is it doesn't do you any good.

if google did "penalize" a site for inlinks , bad guys would simply linkbomb enemies to have their serps drop

people do and it works.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

This is the second time you'll ramble on when challenged on your opinion. My reply wasn't answering the OP's question, but your answer to his question. So no Google is not the only one when they have partners who support and also know. The point.

Are you fucking retarded or what? The question was very simply stated "how can you tell if Google thinks..."

The only answer to that question is "you can't". Only Google knows what Google "thinks". Only Google knows what Google does with that information from day to day. The fact that a 3rd party knows who is being spammed has nothing to do with what Google "thinks" about it and how they treat that information from day to day as they update and tweak. Making the argument that a 3rd party is aware of it has nothing to do with what Google thinks about it and what Google does with that information.

Odd... i always assumed English was your first language. You seem pretty fluent most of the time.

[TheSquealer]

And as porno jew said.. you can blast peoples sites with spam links for a phrase you want and cause them to drop as long as that site is fairly weak to begin with. You're not going to make pornhub.com drop out of the SERPs for "porn" - but a newer site with few inbound links are easy prey.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by porno jew

people do and it works.

doesn't make sense sorry..

I'll stick with what i know. Inlinks can't harm you in any way. the worst they can do is be worthless

[IllTestYourGirls]

You are talking about inbound links? They can't hurt you don't worry about it. Unless someone spammed the shit out of your site.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

doesn't make sense sorry..

I'll stick with what i know. Inlinks can't harm you in any way. the worst they can do is be worthless

ok go with what you believe i'll go with what i know.

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

doesn't make sense sorry..

I'll stick with what i know. Inlinks can't harm you in any way. the worst they can do is be worthless

They can. As others have said, a site with weak backlink profile can be hurt by suddenly gaining masses of spammy links.

[GirlsOnYou]

I know from experience that you certainly can get hurt by a big bunch of bad incoming links. So yes I also believe you can hurt a weak enough competitor with bad incoming links.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

doesn't make sense sorry..

I'll stick with what i know. Inlinks can't harm you in any way. the worst they can do is be worthless

Give me a domain that you own, the phrases it ranks well for and i'll first make it drop out the the SERPs for those phrases, then i'll get it banned. Since you "know" you shouldn't mind and it has to be your domain. It has to have traffic. Since you "know"... you have nothing to worry about.

Whether you think it makes sense or not is irrelevant to the fact that your wrong. A site being spammed is a site being spammed in their eyes - whether you are doing it, whether you are paying a service or someone else to do it or whether someone is doing it to you... and they care about relevant search results, not your personal problems with your own website.

Someone getting their page blasted with spam links... accounts for what % of Trillions of pages indexed? hmmm.... .0000000X% - Trust me, they aren't too worried about what anyone's idea of "fair" is.

[2intense]

[CurrentlySober]

Check the WhoIs and then use google maps streetview

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Give me a domain that you own, the phrases it ranks well for and i'll first make it drop out the the SERPs for those phrases, then i'll get it banned. Since you "know" you shouldn't mind and it has to be your domain. It has to have traffic. Since you "know"... you have nothing to worry about.

domain is gfy.com keyword is "go fuck yourself"

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Whether you think it makes sense or not is irrelevant to the fact that your wrong.

yet you have ZERO proof to back up your claim ? i have heard all this before..

How long have you been doing seo ?

Google will NEVER ban a site based on inbound links and it will NEVER penalize a site based on inbound links, period end of story.

Maybe your myth is correct and maybe the loch ness monster fly's around london , i will believe it when i see it

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

They can. As others have said, a site with weak backlink profile can be hurt by suddenly gaining masses of spammy links.

just because many people believe in the loch ness monster does not make it any more real.. it just makes for more wrong people

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

domain is gfy.com keyword is "go fuck yourself"




yet you have ZERO proof to back up your claim ? i have heard all this before..

How long have you been doing seo ?

Google will NEVER ban a site based on inbound links and it will NEVER penalize a site based on inbound links, period end of story.

Maybe your myth is correct and maybe the loch ness monster fly's around london , i will believe it when i see it

No point in arguing with you. I do this for a living. I offered to prove it to you. I know because its what I do and I have to deal with this constantly. It's not a secret in the SEO/Blackhat community, its a fact that every one has to deal with.

This has been the standard behavior for quite a few years now, it used to be that they would drop for a couple weeks and bounce up higher than before so it was no big deal...not they will drop out of sight and not come back for a couple months or more. I started in adult online in 98. I have dedicated boxes running several copies of xrumer and scrape box and some other link building tools. I know quite well what will happen when I push the "go" button.

Google doesn't know who is causing the links to be built. That's the flaw in your "logic" and why its irrelevant.

Give me your best domain and i'll happily cause it to drop out of the SERPs for you. GFY.com is not a low authority site. Plus, i'm not going to waste my time trying compiling new lists of clean link sources, testing them, cleaning them and running them to build 10k+ links a day just to hurt gfy to prove a point to you. I will do it with your domains.

The bullet points for you:

• Yes, a sudden volume of weak links to a low authority site (which GFY is not - but probably still could be affected) will cause that site to drop in ranking for the phrases targeted. Though I haven't played with this much in the last 6 months, typically you need many 100s-1000s per day and usually after a day or two, its gone for a couple months or more.
• Yes, Google is much better at identifying spam links today than in years past and devaluing them
• No, Google doesn't care WHO caused those links to happen
• Yes, give me a domain of yours and I'll happily make it disappear from the SERPs for you for its primary phrases
• Yes, I am talking from practical experience
• No, you are not talking from practical experience

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Google will NEVER ban a site based on inbound links and it will NEVER penalize a site based on inbound links, period end of story.

I guess there's no such thing as an over optimisation penalty then, and it doesn't matter if you use your target keyword in every single anchor you ever get.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I guess there's no such thing as an over optimisation penalty then

does that have anything to do with inbound links ? no

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

and it doesn't matter if you use your target keyword in every single anchor you ever get.

"doesn't matter" != "google will not penalize you"

Google will not PENALIZE you for having multiple duplicate anchors, you just wont do as well as an identical site without identical anchors most likely. Not because you got penalized but because google may see the identical anchors as meaningless.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No point in arguing with you. I do this for a living.

there is no point in arguing because you are wrong and have less experience

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I offered to prove it to you.

Yet when asked to prove it apparently you chickened out..


I know because its what I do and I have to deal with this constantly. It's not a secret in the SEO/Blackhat community, its a fact that every one has to deal with.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I have dedicated boxes running several copies of xrumer and scrape box and some other link building tools. I know quite well what will happen when I push the "go" button.

so then it should be easy enough for you to prove. Yet you haven't..

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

[*]Yes, a sudden volume of weak links to a low authority site (which GFY is not - but probably still could be affected) will cause that site to drop in ranking for the phrases targeted. Though I haven't played with this much in the last 6 months, typically you need many 100s-1000s per day and usually after a day or two, its gone for a couple months or more.

yet you cant prove it

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

[*]Yes, Google is much better at identifying spam links today than in years past and devaluing them

DEVALUING being the key word.. not penalized

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

[*]No, Google doesn't care WHO caused those links to happen

they are valueless it doesn't matter

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

[*]Yes, I am talking from practical experience

so am i , although much more experience than yours..

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

[*]No, you are not talking from practical experience

i have several years on you

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

there is no point in arguing because you are wrong and have less experience

Yet when asked to prove it apparently you chickened out..

I keep asking you to give me YOUR prized domain so I can make it tank for you and disappear from the SERPs for a few months for each phrase you are ranking for. I'll make sure your domain gets banned. Not a problem at all.



BTW.. saying you have several years on me with SEO as a qualifier, is a bit absurd when you're making such obviously wrong claims about something which everyone in agressive/Blackhat SEO has to deal with day in and day out.

[TheSquealer]

And by the way smart guy - links being devalued and not helping your site in the SERPs (or helping less) has NOTHING to do with a page/site being penalized for link spam at the same time. Two very different things.

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Google will not PENALIZE you for having multiple duplicate anchors, you just wont do as well as an identical site without identical anchors most likely. Not because you got penalized but because google may see the identical anchors as meaningless.

I see, so if someone were to suddenly add a ton of links to your site all with your target keyword and that renders all your previous inbound links meaningless, thus knocking your site out of the serps, that's not actually harming your site in any way? Got it now.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I keep asking you to give me YOUR prized domain so I can make it tank for you and disappear from the SERPs for a few months for each phrase you are ranking for. I'll make sure your domain gets banned. Not a problem at all.

if you want to prove something , take initiative.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

BTW.. saying you have several years on me with SEO as a qualifier, is a bit absurd when you're making such obviously wrong claims about something which everyone in agressive/Blackhat SEO has to deal with day in and day out.

yet you cant prove one iota of it , much like the loch ness monster.

I have been blackhatting several years before you ever came online. BEFORE google was king. You brought up seniority as a qualifier.

Hundreds of gfy'ers have used my blackhat tools, trust me i have experience.

Simple fact is this "theory" has been floated around for years , and in all that time not one person has actually proven it.

pick a site and show us your proof , most of my sites are already running blackhat projects and would not qualify for tests anyways , but lets pick a common enemy then.

buy.xxx ranks #1 for "buy xxx" and is new so test your theory there , we will wait your results. if it quickly slips down you are right , if it stays top 5 you are wrong..

3-2-1 go

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I see, so if someone were to suddenly add a ton of links to your site all with your target keyword and that renders all your previous inbound links meaningless, thus knocking your site out of the serps, that's not actually harming your site in any way? Got it now.

it does not render other inbound links meaningless, pay attention.. it isn't a hard concept to follow. shitty inbound links are meaningless to google, they do not cause a penalty

SITE #1 has 6 inbound links from quality sites and 80000 shitty spam site links

SITE #2 has 5 inbound links from quality sites and ZERO shitty spam links

site #1 will rank higher

if there was a penalty it would rank lower.. if you want to prove me wrong , try it yourself on a googlism

[redwhiteandblue]

I guess all the people reporting messages like this

"Dear site owner or webmaster of http://www.domain.com/,

We’ve detected that some of your site’s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google’s search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team"

must be lying. Oh well you learn something new every day.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if you want to prove something , take initiative.

Simple fact is this "theory" has been floated around for years , and in all that time not one person has actually proven it.

Give me a domain of yours to prove it on. 3rd time i'm asking now. Not an issue. I'll scrape up some proxies, build some lists and hit you with 20K+ links per day using comment spam (mostly drupal, blogengine), i'll hit you with a few k profile links from Expression engine forums, forum posts from general forums and another 5-10k from image boards for a few days for your phrases and those pages will be done. No secret formula. Shit applies to everyone. Weak sites with large volumes of sudden spam links get kicked out of serps for their phrases for 2-3 months, assuming the domain doesn't get banned.

The fact that you continue to insist its not true when it so obviously is, illustrates that you have no real experience in blackhat seo.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Give me a domain of yours to prove it on.

so you want me to waste money proving you wrong ? no thanks. you have something to prove , i have given you a domain to try , obviously you are chicken.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The fact that you continue to insist its not true when it so obviously is

yet you cant actually prove it's true ? much like the loch ness monster.

bring us a loch ness monster or you are just talking shit ..

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

you have no real experience in blackhat seo.

lots of gfy'ers are having a chuckle right about now

i remember sitting where you are, having this discussion 10 years ago lol i was on your side..

cept i didn't chicken out and i tried like mad to penalize another domain , i could get my own shit banned in under 48hrs , but try as i could i couldn't do it to any whitehat site, neither could any other BHer , many of us tried.

You have spoken out against .xxx correct ? so try it on buy.xxx or don't waste your breath because your claims ring hollow without proof

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

I guess all the people reporting messages like this

"Dear site owner or webmaster of http://www.domain.com/,

We?ve detected that some of your site?s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google?s Webmaster Guidelines.

Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.

We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you?ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google?s search results.

If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.

If you have any questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.

Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team"

must be lying. Oh well you learn something new every day.

Does it say your site will be penalized for inbound links ? no.

all you have proven is you can copy paste.

btw when you get the above message , it means you got ratted out most likely

[bean-aid]

I have seen for new sites ranking for a term getting a few hundred a day on key terms. I want to get place 12 to place 1 and tried to capitalize by buying a bunch of links with that key word and it then disappears. I then use allinanchor and sure enough, still at spot 12 or better.

I'm not familiar with 20K links per day, I would think it would destroy a newer site.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

so you want me to waste money proving you wrong ? no thanks. you have something to prove , i have given you a domain to try , obviously you are chicken.

Why do you lose anything? I'm 100% wrong, remember?

So you have nothing to lose. Just give me a new-ish, weak-ish domain of yours and the phrases it ranks in the top 10 for... i'll do my thing and you'll be proven correct and there will be no change whatsoever in your rankings for those pages and their phrases.

You're making all kinds of claims without proof. I've been offering to prove it to you. Not sure how that is so hard to understand.

If you can get your own site banned in 48 hrs with link spam, i really fail to understand how you think someone else can't. Google doesn't know who is spamming the site. They only see the links, source sites, velocity and volume.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by beaner

I want to get place 12 to place 1 and tried to capitalize by buying a bunch of links with that key word and it then disappears.

He says you're lying. Sorry.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Why do you lose anything? I'm 100% wrong, remember?

because i have to waste time and money creating a whitehat site so you can attempt to prove something. as i already explained all my servers already run blackhat sites so impossible for me to test one there, so i would have to buy hosting yada yada.

you want to prove something , you have been given a domain, if you want to chicken out thats your choice.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

If you can get your own site banned in 48 hrs with link spam, i really fail to understand how you think someone else can't.

blackhat is not just link spamming.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He says you're lying. Sorry.

you know you are getting desperate when you start making shit up out of thin air.

did i say he was lying ? no i didn't.

This is where peoples true colors start to show

When to make your point you start assuming or posting false information.

If you wanted to know my FACTUAL response you would simply ask me. Blinded by your inability to prove something , you have resorted to distorting the truth ( aka lying )

I have already explained his situation above, this happens naturally. If you want to find out the TRUTH simply do your own test as i have done many times over the years. You don't prove something by assuming it.

In beaners situation in order to test the validity of his theory , you would buy 2 domains and do one thing with one and another with the other domain and compare results..

He has not done this , therefore he can only assume what happened, just as you have done. I have actually tested this theory so i know the result. You obviously have not perhaps you should.

[bean-aid]

One thing is I am referring to a keyword or a combination of kewords, not identical to site name and extention. So buy xxx as a search term to sabatoge is different then horny gals on a domain called hotswedishchicks.com.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

because i have to waste time and money creating a whitehat site so you can attempt to prove something. as i already explained all my servers already run blackhat sites so impossible for me to test one there, so i would have to buy hosting yada yada.

you want to prove something , you have been given a domain, if you want to chicken out thats your choice.



blackhat is not just link spamming.

You're so full of shit. You want proof? I'll prove it by knocking one of your sites out of the SERPs. You don't seem to confident in your claim.