Pay $10,000 for 5 paysites?

[MetaformX]

A bit of a dillema, if you can call it that. There is a friend(internet friend) of mine who is a designer (almost exclusively mainstream now, but used to do adult a couple of years ago)...The guy is amazing...There are some great adult designers out there like AMP, but this guy has a real unique approach. His stuff rivals Mike W(who charges $3,000+ per paysite I believe and is booked right now indefinetly)

Anyways, He charges mainstream clients $3k-4k per site...And I offered him $7000 for 5 paysites(3 page tours each, plus members area design)

He sais he will do the 5 sites for $10,000, and can't go any lower (and to his credit, he is giving me a huge discount in comparisson for his regular rates)

His style has really caught my eye, and I wanna have him do the sites, but 10k seems a little excesive for 3 page tours, and im sure most other designers would give me a bulk pricing as well.

Assuming that his stuff is as good as Mike W (http://www.ClubJenna.com), should I shell out that much or is that just too excessive?

P.S. Unfortunatly, I can't post his portfolio here, as I basically want to keep him to myself for now... I know, a bit selfish, but If I decide to use him for this project and all goes well, we have been talking about him working for me exclusively)

[robfantasy]

go with evolving media they are top notch

[mrthumbs]

Originally posted by robfantasy
go with evolving media they are top notch

jup.. they do all my mainstream stuff as well..

[sextoyking]

Hi Meta,

well 10k isn't so bad for 5 sites, 3 tours each.

I would be interested in seeing his work myself, as there isn't really 2-3 companies in adult that can do as good as work as Mikew does, I know our company is one of them, so....

Mind you I don't design anything, can't even draw a smiley face, but our team does rock..

thanks

Todd

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by sextoyking
Hi Meta,

well 10k isn't so bad for 5 sites, 3 tours each.

I would be interested in seeing his work myself, as there isn't really 2-3 companies in adult that can do as good as work as Mikew does, I know our company is one of them, so....

Mind you I don't design anything, can't even draw a smiley face, but our team does rock..

thanks

Todd

Hi Todd. Yeah, I have seen you guys's portfolio, and it looks very impressive. If this guy hadent caught my eye, I would be deciding between either you guys or AMP.

Anyways, he did make me something the other day on the cheap to kind of wet my appetite, ill send it to you over icq right now(don't wanna post it here just yet)

[SpaceAce]

Offer him 9K or bargain him up to 4-page tours. It seems to me there's a lot in it for him, considering the exposure and the fact that he might get to work exclusively for you. He should be willing to bump the price down even further or offer you a little more for your dollar.

SpaceAce

[sextoyking]

Meta,

sounds cool, I will check it out. don't worry I don't gossip.



todd

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by SpaceAce
Offer him 9K or bargain him up to 4-page tours. It seems to me there's a lot in it for him, considering the exposure and the fact that he might get to work exclusively for you. He should be willing to bump the price down even further or offer you a little more for your dollar.

SpaceAce

I tried haggling with him ALOT...hehe...thats how I got him down to $2k per site...but he will not go any lower than that. Its either $2k per paysite, or I gotta go with someone else.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by MetaformX


He sais he will do the 5 sites for $10,000, and can't go any lower (and to his credit, he is giving me a huge discount in comparisson for his regular rates)

I've done this before on a couple occassions. Keep in mind the possibility that the designer may not look at each job seperately when hes doing discounted bulk work. The quality of the sites might reflect that & come up a little shorter each time. Or not... depends who your working with maybe.

Just be carefull of the "rush job" when paying for sites in bulk.

But it might be better to just offer him the $2000 a site whenever he has a couple days free & wants to work on something from your list of 5 (or more) domains -- rather than a $10k deal all at once. Every designer has their slow periods (Except Mike W. from the sounds of it).

Nothing against the designer (no idea who it is) and not trying to dissuade you from your plan here.. just saying its a possibility that the design work might be rushed if you do in in bulk.



W = Wyldesites?

[goBigtime]

quote edit quote edit doh.

[BJ]

no $ in non-adult lets slap high 5'S

[http]

have to scroll to the right on 800x600

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by goBigtime


I've done this before on a couple occassions. Keep in mind the possibility that the designer may not look at each job seperately when hes doing discounted bulk work. The quality of the sites might reflect that & come up a little shorter each time. Or not... depends who your working with maybe.

Just be carefull of the "rush job" when paying for sites in bulk.

But it might be better to just offer him the $2000 a site whenever he has a couple days free & wants to work on something from your list of 5 (or more) domains -- rather than a $10k deal all at once. Every designer has their slow periods (Except Mike W. from the sounds of it).

Nothing against the designer (no idea who it is) and not trying to dissuade you from your plan here.. just saying its a possibility that the design work might be rushed if you do in in bulk.



W = Wyldesites?

yeah, valid point about not bunching up all 5 sites and giving the designer tunnel vision, but in this instance, $2k is apparently his "bulk price"...so he will prolly want more if he does it on a per site basis. At the same time though, everything he does looks great, so I doubt he will slack off on my sites or anything. And yep, mike w = wyldesites

[ServerGenius]

Don't stare yourself blind on the money you have to pay for the
designs.....better try to calculate what such designs would do
for your sales.

Be realistic it will give you an idea how much time it requires
to get your investment returned. Spending 10K is ok as long as
it comes back X times....within a certain timeframe...

Also try to get some banners/HPA/FPA for that price with it since
you're gonna need those aswell.

DynaMite

[Lensman]

The guy may be a good designer, but does he convert?

I say go with Amp. he knows how to convert.

[ServerGenius]

If you find it hard to make a projection of the effect of your new
designs calculate how many sales you need in order to get the
investment back based on your current costs....

That is a quite safe way to calculate and you can see if you can
afford and/or are willing to put such an amount in for that period
of time.

DynaMite

[progex]

Anyone have a link to Mike W's design firm?

[Supercharged]

I could give you a great price on 5 tours....

Here is some of our latest works

http://www.superchargedentertainment...t/clients.html

Thanks

[EscortBiz]

again focusing on the wrong things, any person who is making serious cash will tell you the simple designs sell, spend cash on promotion etc.

Good luck

[Mutt]

wow how freaky. i had just gone to Lace Content before i came back to GFY, then i hit this thread, clicked on Supercharge's link, first thing i thought, wow this site looks alot like Lace Content. Then i scrolled down the page and what do ya know................... yup he did the design on it.

small world this Internet is.

no prices listed on the site. i think this is to keep the cheapasses away.

[fiveyes]

Originally posted by Lensman
The guy may be a good designer, but does he convert?

I say go with Amp. he knows how to convert.

All that is well and good.

But who are those that know how to retain, backend and upsell a customer?

I only ask because that is where the real money is at- one can convert like crazy but still bite the dust unless they can follow up on the most expensive step of retailing- acquring the customer.

It's like a barker at the door of a strip club. He may be able to pull people in, but if the customer doesn't find a good reason to buy a split once they get in there, it can be counted as something of a loss.

Who's good at that? Because if you have the backend right, converting 1 out of 1,000 can be lucrative. In fact, in straight commercial business a 1 out 2,000 conversion is considered good, but it only works if you have the backend/upsell/followthrough..

[Mutt]

then i went to the sample portfolio...........and i'm thinking, some of these look like Fresh Photos and Matrix Content sites..........yup he did those too.

[Supercharged]

Mutt, I think we can compete price wise with anyone designing at our level, if you want to talk prices feel free to hit me up on ICQ.

[vegasdude]

Meta a word to ya mutha.. talk to amp....

he can do better than his portfolio.. believe me!!

if you have an idea and tell todd (amp) what you need, what the vision is then he can deliever!

most people ask for the same teen pink, blue sky shit and that is what they get... look good but seen to many times...

Regards
Vegas

p.s im not in vegas this time around but next time ya gotta sign your famous MetaformX Marketing book - I have first edition

[Zayne E.]

MikeW - the W is for "Wylde." This goes back several years when Wyldesites was his and his (ex) g/f's amateur adult site. Mike started making banners and crap for people in exchange for traffic to their amateur site. His style became so popular...well the rest is history.

The reason you go to http://www.wyldesites.com/ and it redirects to the /graphics/ directory is because he was a graphics guy SECONDARY under that URL. The site was an amatuer adult site

Mike's name is Mike Walker. We're friends and neighbors...though quite different neighborhoods...and, after talking to him yesterday, he's booked for quite some time.

My stuff is at http://www.zayneecreations.com/portfolio.html - needs a big time facelift but I have been way too busy to get to it. I have very limited openings between now and April, if anyone is interested. Todd's a class act and Sharky will treat you right. AMP always seems to have openings too

[Nysus]

Originally posted by MetaformX


yeah, valid point about not bunching up all 5 sites and giving the designer tunnel vision, but in this instance, $2k is apparently his "bulk price"...so he will prolly want more if he does it on a per site basis. At the same time though, everything he does looks great, so I doubt he will slack off on my sites or anything. And yep, mike w = wyldesites

Guarantee him 5 designs - pay half up front, and the rest on completion of 3-4 designs. Only give him the details for the first one, and then the week after, give him the other one, etc.

Cheers,
Matt

[tony286]

Offer him $1,000 per site and neg. from there. If he is giving you a deal chances are he needs money.Also times are tough so there arent many people with the resources, use that to your advantage. Whenever I am doing a deal and I feel there is room in the price. I go much much lower than what I am willing to pay. That way its a climb up then a climb down. A side note I dont like club jenna's design its too busy for me. I think most sites arent designed for the consumer, they are designed for webmasters to show whose dick is bigger lol.

[Candyman69]

you said it yourself, he has a unique style,

designers that know whats up never whore themselves out

its the creativity and the uniqueness of their designs that sets the price

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by Lensman
The guy may be a good designer, but does he convert?

I say go with Amp. he knows how to convert.

he used to work in adult a while ago....I will also be helping him out with what wording to use and such, if needed.

I love amp's stuff, and he is near the top of my list still(along with webinc and a couple of others) but I am looking for a different style altogether. Something fresh

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by vegasdude
p.s im not in vegas this time around but next time ya gotta sign your famous MetaformX Marketing book - I have first edition

wait, how can "vegasdude" not be in vegas?? hehe
acrtually, I am not in vegas either bro, trying to launch this program(which is why I need the 5 paysites to start off) so couldnt quite get away from the computer.

Ill make sure my agent send's you a signed copy though bro. Just don't resell it on ebay

[Pipecrew]

just concentrate on 1 good site, dont turn into having 6 crappy half assed ones!

[MetaformX]

Originally posted by Pipecrew
just concentrate on 1 good site, dont turn into having 6 crappy half assed ones!

yeah, my goal is to offer the surfer true value. I have allocated enough funds to the content side for each site, so I'm gonna make sure it's not just 5 pretty tours with a bunch of shitty plugins behind it. Rebills is where I wanna make my bread, so thats a definite concern on my part as well

[Simon-interaid]

10,000 dollars is alot of F*&*^ money for 5 paysite designs.


Probably more than necessary.

just my

[wethoney]

Originally posted by Simon-interaid
10,000 dollars is alot of F*&*^ money for 5 paysite designs.


Probably more than necessary.

just my

2k a piece isn't that outrageous.. of course you'd think he'd cut you a deal for doing 5.

[EscortBiz]

simple converts

[gregtx]

$10K for 5 quality tours is about average... sure there are cheaper guys out there... and there are more expensive guys out there... and honestly.. there is no guarantee.... i've seen the most beautiful tour convert like shit.. and the ugliest tour convert like mad... go figure... if you know of any designers offering guaranteed conversions... spam me with their info!!!

[quiet]

Originally posted by gregtx
if you know of any designers offering guaranteed conversions... spam me with their info!!!

me too please

[Serge Litehead]

lets talk highly converting sites,
my icq 13715022

[XSV]

The only designer that I have seen with a conversion and retention guarantee on their site is Mark Tiarra:

http://www.lumyr.com/lumyr6/html_only/guarantee.htm

I've never bought a design from him but he was always fair when I sold traffic to him a few years ago.

[alias]

sounds like a deal for high quality design, maybe get him to throw in some banners.

you should do the deal but maybe pay per site as they get done so he has to maintain the quality not punk out and do easier /faster shit.

[Muff]

Originally posted by gregtx
$10K for 5 quality tours is about average... sure there are cheaper guys out there... and there are more expensive guys out there... and honestly.. there is no guarantee.... i've seen the most beautiful tour convert like shit.. and the ugliest tour convert like mad... go figure... if you know of any designers offering guaranteed conversions... spam me with their info!!!

http://lumyr.com/