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signupdamnit · 04-13-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

well them promote sponsors and sites not over the tubes. how is this rocket science? even fucking dvtimes has it figured out man.

Why do you think I'm not doing that right now?

Robbie · 04-13-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

funny how the same time you started to upload clips you sales also increased.

the obvious reason is from type ins and branding but you are so blinded by the banner clicks to even notice. even nathan pointed this out before.

Not true at all. My sales didn't increase at the same time I uploaded those clips. They remained steady.

And my type ins have ALWAYS been huge. I branded Claudia Marie long before Pornhub became any kind of force to reckon with.

We saw ZERO increase in type ins during that period.

I have seen an increase in type ins over the last year though. And I know exactly why and exactly what I am doing to make that happen. And it has nothing at all to do with tube sites.

And there were NO "banner clicks" on Pornhub at that time. There was only a small text link sitting in the middle of a page that was COVERED in spammy advertising. No way in hell anybody was ever gonna click that little text.

As I said...you guys believe what you want. Keep working those porn tubes. I'm seeing all of the people who are doing it right in my approval que on my own tube site. And I'm seeing the "genius" marketing of cropping out the paysites watermark and replacing it with their own that is a redirect url to their affiliate code for the paysite.

Lame, but I guess it might make a handful of sales.

Me? I'm doing bigger and better things than porn tubes these days to make sales. Viral and social networking is the golden goose today.

Jel · 04-13-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

I just needed to quote this because it makes me feel sane again. Thank you.

I'm glad you did, because I missed it 1st time round. Great post.

signupdamnit · 04-13-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm happy for all the guys on here that are making big money...but I'm pretty sure the only ones who are, are the owners of the big tube sites and their webcam and dating program partners.

I think people who never had big sales before can also gain for a while too. Some guy in the third world who puts his watermark on top of some ripped video to get typeins. Maybe some really small paysite which doesn't do 30 sales a month now might see enough from the tubes to at least keep them in business. But I think people who were doing well before only lose from it. Even those doing well now from it will probably see that erode as ctr and ratios turn for the worse and competition rises.

People talk about eliminating affiliates but what they overlook is that eventually doing this might just lead to the rise of the "new affiliate" who steals all your content and simply opens up his own tube protected by the DMCA (or submits videos to them with his watermark) and makes all his money from dating and cam programs. We already see it with these "new affiliates" and the file lockers. The end result I am sure is the total decimation of the adult paysite industry as 100,000 "new affiliates" from the third world upload your member's area to any one of 100,000 illegal tubes and file lockers to make $3 per 1 million impressions.

I'm glad I'm not as much into paysites as before. It's just really sad to see this all happen.

Far-L · 04-13-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Not true at all. My sales didn't increase at the same time I uploaded those clips. They remained steady.

And my type ins have ALWAYS been huge. I branded Claudia Marie long before Pornhub became any kind of force to reckon with.

We saw ZERO increase in type ins during that period.

I have seen an increase in type ins over the last year though. And I know exactly why and exactly what I am doing to make that happen. And it has nothing at all to do with tube sites.

And there were NO "banner clicks" on Pornhub at that time. There was only a small text link sitting in the middle of a page that was COVERED in spammy advertising. No way in hell anybody was ever gonna click that little text.

As I said...you guys believe what you want. Keep working those porn tubes. I'm seeing all of the people who are doing it right in my approval que on my own tube site. And I'm seeing the "genius" marketing of cropping out the paysites watermark and replacing it with their own that is a redirect url to their affiliate code for the paysite.

Lame, but I guess it might make a handful of sales.

Me? I'm doing bigger and better things than porn tubes these days to make sales. Viral and social networking is the golden goose today.

Then how come you don't see what incredible social networking opportunities exist in the communities of many tubes? (Or maybe you do and you don't want to share it...

)

Colmike9 · 04-13-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Mike I don't know if you're a multi millionaire or posting from your living room.

Millionaires don't have livingrooms?

Robbie · 04-13-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Then how come you don't see what incredible social networking opportunities exist in the communities of many tubes? (Or maybe you do and you don't want to share it...

)

I have seen the social networking of pornhub. It's not conducive to making sales.

The social networking that I'm killing it with are Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.

And it all has to do with CM interacting with people and all in an environment of NO porn pics or vids. They find their way to the site on their own and it's all "their idea" to do it (just like the movie "Inception").
We just plant the seed.

It's pure gold. And it doesn't and can't work on a site like Pornhub where people are overcome with full free porn scenes and have already jerked off and came all over their monitor screen.

All I can say is...all of you who THINK you are branding yourself on Pornhub and other big tube sites like that: Well, you are...to a certain extent. But the real site that is being branded, relatively speaking, is the tube site. Not you.

That's why they are now wanting all of you to join there "partner programs" or whatever the fuck they want to call it.
Don't you think that if the traffic was soooooo good that they would do what we did with our TGP's?

You know...just join all the different affiliate programs, use all their supposed skills at picking the right footage, use all their supposed "marketing skills", and place everything just 100% perfect and make far more money than they do now.

Right?
Wonder why they don't do that? Especially since you have them in this thread claiming that they know how to help you make sales and pick the right vids etc., etc.

Answer: Because the more of you that upload your content to their sites, the more money THEY make off of the traffic while YOU make peanuts comparatively. They know they can't make big money off of paysite sales from their tubes. If they could...they would do it themselves. They've already claimed they know how.

The sheer desperation of a lot of paysite owners is what is allowing these guys to do this. First they crippled everybody with piracy. And now they get everyone to feed them legal content to make even more money for the tube site.

Good luck to all of you playing that game.

Colmike9 · 04-13-2012, 03:14 PM

Since we're talking about tubes, does anyone want to buy one of my tubes, domain only? It's page 6 on G so far for 'porn tube' and rising no blackhat or bs and PR2. $5000

signupdamnit · 04-13-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Since we're talking about tubes, does anyone want to buy one of my tubes, domain only? It's page 6 on G so far for 'porn tube' and rising no blackhat or bs and PR2. $5000

Barry-xlovecam · 04-13-2012, 04:09 PM

"The Netflix of Porn" has arrived ...

This has been inevitable and if this takes off it is a game changer. A new market of crossovers and gamers with streaming PlayStation 3 porn? Playing-with-yourself-station-4

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"The unlimited streaming service on the PlayStation 3 costs $7.95 per month and includes 20 minutes of video-on-demand service, which offers a "pay per minute" service suitable for PCs and Macs. Absolutely no links to any of it will be provided."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...Blasts-the-PS3

With the runaway success of Netflix on consoles well established, it was only a matter of time before its mainstream movies and television shows were joined by their seedier yet remarkably prolific cousin, the porn flick. And that time is now upon us thanks to the arrival of SugarDVD on the PlayStation 3.

SugarDVD offers a high-quality streaming video service similar to Netflix, ... Instead, subscribers are given access to hundreds of high-resolution, full length "adult" videos, "not the cheap grainy web content available elsewhere for free," with new movies being added every day. It's got all the categories you could want [plus at least a few you'll probably wish you never knew existed] and, for the true connoisseur, even offers search options for specific studios and performers.

Colmike9 · 04-13-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

"The Netflix of Porn" has arrived ...

This has been inevitable and if this takes off it is a game changer. A new market of crossovers and gamers with streaming PlayStation 3 porn? Playing-with-yourself-station-4

SugarDVD is neat, but isn't a gamechanger. The videos are pretty good but take a while to load on DSL, about average on my cable modem. Last time I checked tube videos play just fine on PS3s and you still have to open the web browser on the PS3 to access SugarDVD too..

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It's got all the categories you could want [plus at least a few you'll probably wish you never knew existed

False advertising, looks like a tube with default buttons and a handful of categories.

Tube owners have nothing to worry about

Barry-xlovecam · 04-13-2012, 04:53 PM

Connection speeds that can are not that uncommon now

TheSquealer · 04-13-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

Exackery. All these "tubes convert!" wallers seem to think our argument is that tube surfers don't buy - of course they fucking do, due to sheer volume - we fucking know that ffs. Ctr is fucking atrocious though.

What should the CTR be on a video page full of ads and links to more videos, upsells to premium membership etc? How is CTR even relevant?

Robbie · 04-13-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

How is CTR even relevant?

Because you are destroying the value of all porn content everytime a person watches the video for free and jerks off.

This ain't brain surgery.

And again I have to ask: If it's so great, then why doesn't Pornhub and the others that claim to have all this expertise in selling paysites with tube traffic just simply join all the affiliate programs and start making BILLIONS of dollars instead of soliciting desperate paysite owners to put up their own videos?

Answer: They can't.

porno jew · 04-13-2012, 07:05 PM

robbie for most of the partnership programs they are affiliates and taking their cut of the sales.

why would they hire staff to cut and upload videos when the sponsor will do it? and when the sponsor knows exactly what will convert and have access to stats, not have to guess at it? think about it.

signupdamnit · 04-13-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

robbie for most of the partnership programs they are affiliates and taking their cut of the sales.

why would they hire staff to cut and upload videos when the sponsor will do it? and when the sponsor knows exactly what will convert and have access to stats, not have to guess at it? think about it.

With a ctr <= 1% they aren't making as much as you might think. I have to admit that some are starting to offer more ad space to content producers and the ctr is probably going up but I seriously doubt they are approaching what a good legal tube can do which is 3 to 5% ctr. That means they are inefficient. In simple terms it's like comparing a vehicle which does 10 miles per gallon to one which does 30 miles per gallon. It takes more gas (impressions, surfers, uniques) to go the same distance (sales). But it's even worse than that because you also need to factor in the ratios.

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The consideration of opportunity costs is one of the key differences between the concepts of economic cost and accounting cost. Assessing opportunity costs is fundamental to assessing the true cost of any course of action. In the case where there is no explicit accounting or monetary cost (price) attached to a course of action, or the explicit accounting or monetary cost is low, then, ignoring opportunity costs may produce the illusion that its benefits cost nothing at all. The unseen opportunity costs then become the implicit hidden costs of that course of action. Accounting cost includes only costs that have been explicitly incurred, whereas, economic cost includes opportunity costs. Similarly, this is a major difference between economic profit and accounting profit; opportunity cost being a variable in the calculation of economic profit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportu...ost#Evaluation

If you were to assign some sort of theoretical cost to each video impression as a way of measuring opportunity cost in many cases you very well could find that the opportunity cost of the tube campaign exceed the actual profits brought in. In some cases likewise it could be profitable. It's good business to know either way and consider this.

There is a hidden opportunity cost to each impression in practice because there are a finite number of impressions and paying porn surfers.

Paul Markham · 04-13-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Based on what I've heard 50,000,000 views is more like 150 to 250 sales.

1,000,000 views
1% ctr
1:2000 conversion

1,000,000 * .01 / 2000 = 5 sales * 50 = 250 sales

I haven't seen many claim a good ctr from tubes littered with full scenes.

It's more about what it used to achieve, what it will in the future, than what it achieves today. Everyone but a few can see revenue falling,

Free took offline sales and turned some into online sales, now offline is all but gone. So no more sales from there. The shift in sales is now online to online. how many who bought yesterday will buy tomorrow.

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I remember sitting around a kitchen table with the other YouPorn guys, Jan 2008 and literally every 2 minutes, we got a sale notification through for "another" exgf sale. It was INSANE

Yes is worked great then and 10, copied and 100 copied them. Did you ever sit and consider where the sales came from and where they have now gone?

Sorry if I upset you Mike by repeating back to you your posts.

Paul Markham · 04-13-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Whether a business fails or not depends on many things, mostly the people running it, and the same is with any online business too. If you know what you're doing then you'll be fine.

Absolutely spot on. with so many who only know how to give porn away and get sales of 1 in 1,000s the reason for the decline is now a lot clearer.

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Basing what I do on my sig links and join date is stupid, those sig links are all quick hour or less projects that I wanted to test sig link SEO at the time and I like the affiliate referral payout from the sponsors in my sig, not because I promote them the most... I've been around longer than my join date too, I just didn't know that I'm not considered in the adult industry until I joined GFY..

Sadly that and your posts are all we have to go on. You were the one who was scared people might copy your business model, then said people you had told were unable to copy it.

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People here can back me up that I know what the fuck I'm doing with nearly 20,000 blogs and that Ive helped many get started making money with blogs.

Thank you for the info, 2,000 blogs with hand written article or on auto pilot? I can see why you're keeping it a secret.

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Here's a random pic of my closet, money is littering my house, not to mention my bank accts.:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/

Millionaires use credit cards, unless they run a drug business.

Post something to convince us all that you make more than a basic income please. How about a picture of you holding a placard in your living room room, or a picture of your living room with a placard on the sofa. Placard to say "Believe me now Paul?"

Paul Markham · 04-13-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Sorry it just seemed that you were new to the business based on everything you were showing (domains, ICQ, referral links, join date). I didn't intend it as an insult or anything.

What people posts, have in their signatures and we actually know of their past. Is all we have to go on.

On GFY we know so little about about some who have so little to say and keep saying it.

Mike, tells a good story. And to date that's all it it.
Squealer, has he ever run a paysite or business. He says he wanted to fly Russian webcam girls to Czech for a few days work shooting cheap sets back in 2004. Does he still run this webcam business?
porno jew does anyone know what he does and willing to post it?
Jel one look at his site will tell you a lot.

And that's the norm here in 2012. Are they all multi millionaires running mega sites or guys making a LIVING WAGE?

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The primary thing a business depends on is it's product(s) and the demand and costs for the said product(s). Which is the issue.

AND WHEN YOU GIVE AWAY ONE OF THE MAIN STAYS OF THE PORN BUSINESS, DEMAND GETS DESTROYED.

Still some can post that they are big dogs in the pack, without revealing the truth.

porno jew · 04-14-2012, 12:03 AM

stop stalking me you old creep.

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sadly that and your posts are all we have to go on. You were the one who was scared people might copy your business model, then said people you had told were unable to copy it.

Thank you for the info, 2,000 blogs with hand written article or on auto pilot? I can see why you're keeping it a secret.

If you must know, I promote close to 200 affiliate programs with dozens of different building and SEO methods depending on what I feel like doing at the moment. One thing that I do is make a good handwritten blog then spend an hour or so making 20-100 auto updating feeder blogs to help the good handwritten blog's SEO after thorough keyword research (That alone is too hard for most 'webmasters') then repeat many times.

How I do it is a mystery and works well, I focus a lot on 'marketing' too instead of worrying about ctr and other statistical bullshit like that or making a blog that surfers 'enjoy'. Just because you can make a number out of something doesn't make it relevant

If you don't believe me, I get lots of emails and ICQ messages daily from affiliate managers telling me to stop telling people how to do things and from other bloggers complaining because I either tell too many people how to blog the right way or every time they start a new blog or campaign I have a similar blog already made and listed everywhere. Seems like I'm doing something right.

And how often do content producers have to scrape old shit and resell it as retro porn?

(Someone back me up to silence this old ex-Soviet dude)

porno jew · 04-14-2012, 12:35 AM

mike you have an email need to ask you something blog related no drama.

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

mike you have an email need to ask you something blog related no drama.

Really? I don't see it. col.mike7 at yahoo . com

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Because you are destroying the value of all porn content everytime a person watches the video for free and jerks off.

This ain't brain surgery.

QFT.

Giving something away in tiny doses as a little taster works. Giving away as much as they can consume and hoping some will buy doesn't work as well.

The problem is the latter is easier and all that many can do.

Mike, you keep changing your reasons for not posting some proof. So until you back your words with proof, I will go on what I see. Affiliate mangers are telling you not to tell others your great secret.

Jel · 04-14-2012, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

What should the CTR be on a video page full of ads and links to more videos, upsells to premium membership etc? How is CTR even relevant?

It should be fucking shit, and is. CTR is relevant, because people are talking like tubes are mailers - sure, the conversion ratios may be ok, or even good, but when you factor in how many people are seeing the ads/videos for type-ins/banners & links, the bottom line is, it's shit traffic. It's absolutely a case of throw enough shit and see what sticks.

Now, with such massive volume, of course sales can be made, and I'm far from saying anything should or could be changed - this whole thread is nothing more than a moot point, as the big tubes have the traffic, and traffic is king. All I'm saying is, is that tube traffic a la pornhub, youporn, etc is far from this golden traffic a lot of people seem to think it is. It's shit, and it's success is via sheer volume - nothing wrong with that, of course, but to think that in a few years the industry won't be killed off, is naive.

Tubes have most of the traffic, which will only turn into a larger %age as time goes on, so the amount of shit needed to throw at the wall grows, to compete with everyone else upping *their* amount of shit. That doesn't spell industry growth.

Jel · 04-14-2012, 01:26 AM

Mike ignore that stupid cunt markham, the silly fuck isn't even in the biz.

Far-L · 04-14-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I have seen the social networking of pornhub. It's not conducive to making sales.

The social networking that I'm killing it with are Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.

And it all has to do with CM interacting with people and all in an environment of NO porn pics or vids. They find their way to the site on their own and it's all "their idea" to do it (just like the movie "Inception").
We just plant the seed.

It's pure gold. And it doesn't and can't work on a site like Pornhub where people are overcome with full free porn scenes and have already jerked off and came all over their monitor screen.

All I can say is...all of you who THINK you are branding yourself on Pornhub and other big tube sites like that: Well, you are...to a certain extent. But the real site that is being branded, relatively speaking, is the tube site. Not you.

That's why they are now wanting all of you to join there "partner programs" or whatever the fuck they want to call it.
Don't you think that if the traffic was soooooo good that they would do what we did with our TGP's?

You know...just join all the different affiliate programs, use all their supposed skills at picking the right footage, use all their supposed "marketing skills", and place everything just 100% perfect and make far more money than they do now.

Right?
Wonder why they don't do that? Especially since you have them in this thread claiming that they know how to help you make sales and pick the right vids etc., etc.

Answer: Because the more of you that upload your content to their sites, the more money THEY make off of the traffic while YOU make peanuts comparatively. They know they can't make big money off of paysite sales from their tubes. If they could...they would do it themselves. They've already claimed they know how.

The sheer desperation of a lot of paysite owners is what is allowing these guys to do this. First they crippled everybody with piracy. And now they get everyone to feed them legal content to make even more money for the tube site.

Good luck to all of you playing that game.

You make tons of assumptions about stuff, but the amount of testing and tweaking you did to improve conversions doesn't seem like really a whole lot and not enough to justify what you are laying down as facts - for example, I never see you referring to any A/B testing. By your account it just seems like you put something up, it didn't work and you moved on; still, you go off like you have an expert opinion and even acknowledge that you are doing your own tubes.

Having "partner accounts", where major tgps had to approve the program and the program/affiliates did all the work, was exactly where most major TGPs eventually evolved to.

Your reasoning and thinking that the communities on the tubes are not solid social network marketing opportunities is pure speculation. Your assumption about "they already got off" is just not accurate. I am not saying that what you are doing is better or worse, more power to you if those areas are more productive for you and you are able to "plant inceptions" to get traffic. My experience is that "planting inceptions" is a whole lot easier once the brain has been washed in the liquid glow of a great orgasm.

I'll give you credit for thinking outside the box and not just doing what everyone else does but I don't agree with your proclamations and assessments.

ilnjscb · 04-14-2012, 08:14 AM

This thread is AWESOME! Clash of the Titans! Now I want to do a tube upload test, but I'm sure if it didn't work I'd get told "you didn't market right, your content wasn't right, you messed this and that up"

A growing thriving industry segment has room for noobs and lesser skilled journeyman to succeed.

all real GFY quotes
Gold rush, first everyone is an amazed noob making bank
("I put up some galleries and after a while I was making 350k/month!")
Then, some with more aptitude take share as gold dries up
("We were buying sites left and right")
Noobs stop coming in, the ones that do get taken advantage of
("LOL! Another dream dies!")
High skilled fight it out
("Jules sues Manwin")
A few win and optimize for a shrinking market
("NO one could have predicted how Fabian would dominate this market")

Where are we in the cycle?

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Now I want to do a tube upload test, but I'm sure if it didn't work I'd get told "you didn't market right, your content wasn't right, you messed this and that up"

But.. Isn't that what tests are for?..

(Find what works and repeat the shit out of it)

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Mike, you keep changing your reasons for not posting some proof. So until you back your words with proof, I will go on what I see. Affiliate mangers are telling you not to tell others your great secret.

Ill prove it once you prove that your content package is worth $3000

And what makes you think that I only have one great secret? I guess it's hard for you to comprehend that you can be successful with multiple methods, let alone successful at all..

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I have seen the social networking of pornhub. It's not conducive to making sales.

The social networking that I'm killing it with are Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.

Social Networking with customers is something we do in online porn very. We rely too much on sites like Twitter, FB, etc.

I have an idea to take this up a level, hit me up if you want to hear about it.

Sorry if my posts upset you. Yours just confuse me.

You're doing great with your secret idea you don't want people to copy, that can't be copied. That people who also blog don't want others to find out about and affiliate reps want you to keep secret so other affiliates don't copy. That you are now sharing advice with Porno Jew about.

Yes 4 years after effectively closing the business and 8 years after Squealer thought I was going broke, I'm still selling content. go figure that out.

Barry-xlovecam · 04-14-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

[W]here are we in the cycle? ...

Diffusion of innovations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

On the down side of the adoption curve between Late Majority and Laggards and "Market Share " as shown also refers to market saturation; I think the tube market saturation to be around 75% to 85 % with the next Disruptive Innovation coming soon (hold on to your socks) ...

Robbie is basically correct on the Social Media aspect. I see from my own statistics that a Facebook or Twitter referral has twice the value of an organic search engine referral, and more than 200 times the value of a tube bulk bulk traffic referral.

However, there is an overall problem is my statement above -- the volume of available traffic is not factored in. There are maybe 1 Billion 'real' Social Media users and what percentage get off on Internet porn? 10%? That very conservative estimate is a 100 Million person market that may be only partially monetized ...

ilnjscb · 04-14-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Diffusion of innovations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

On the down side of the adoption curve between Late Majority and Laggards and "Market Share " as shown also refers to market saturation; I think the tube market saturation to be around 75% to 85 % with the next Disruptive Innovation coming soon (hold on to your socks) ...

Robbie is basically correct on the Social Media aspect. I see from my own statistics that a Facebook or Twitter referral has twice the value of an organic search engine referral, and more than 200 times the value of a tube bulk bulk traffic referral.

However, there is an overall problem is my statement above -- the volume of available traffic is not factored in. There are maybe 1 Billion 'real' Social Media users and what percentage get off on Internet porn? 10%? That very conservative estimate is a 100 Million person market that may be only partially monetized ...

Very nice post - I agree. We are waiting for a disruptive event, but I'm not as confident that it is right around the corner.

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

But.. Isn't that what tests are for?..

(Find what works and repeat the shit out of it)

No it's what real knowledge of what works is for.

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On the down side of the adoption curve between Late Majority and Laggards and "Market Share " as shown also refers to market saturation; I think the tube market saturation to be around 75% to 85 % with the next Disruptive Innovation coming soon (hold on to your socks) ...

Robbie is basically correct on the Social Media aspect. I see from my own statistics that a Facebook or Twitter referral has twice the value of an organic search engine referral, and more than 200 times the value of a tube bulk bulk traffic referral.

However, there is an overall problem is my statement above -- the volume of available traffic is not factored in. There are maybe 1 Billion 'real' Social Media users and what percentage get off on Internet porn? 10%? That very conservative estimate is a 100 Million person market that may be only partially monetized ...

Great post. Sadly the adaption curve in online porn is to copy someone else.

There are a billion people looking at free porn and 1-10,000 will, might, may, could, think about buying it. Approximately, still I'm sure you understand.

Yes we need to adapt, innovate and find better ways of selling porn, than throwing up free content, usually pretty mediocre, in the hope that 1 in 1,000s will buy something. And when he does buy, keep him buying.

DarkJedi · 04-14-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gabe100

And if you were standing out in front giving out free samples because all the other pizza joints in the hood couldn't compare and you know it and they know it, you just might get some sales and return buyers.

No one is gonna go inside and buy anything if they just ate a whole pizza for free.

So you just paid for ingredients / labor out of your own pocket.

DUH.

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

No one is gonna go inside and buy anything if they just ate a whole pizza for free.

So you just paid for ingredients / labor out of your own pocket.

DUH.

Or you could look at it like a pizza place with a free pizza buffet with crap old pizza with no toppings and a gourmet pizza shop next to the buffet where you can pay for something better with sides if you want.. Sure you can eat for free, but you can pay for a nicer meal too, and many do...

TheSquealer · 04-14-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes 4 years after effectively closing the business and 8 years after Squealer thought I was going broke, I'm still selling content. go figure that out.

You mean you're living on 2 government pensions, you've admitted to making almost nothing online today and your wife who used to shoot content for you, still has to work to make ends meet for your household.

Play on playa

Robbie · 04-14-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

You make tons of assumptions about stuff, but the amount of testing and tweaking you did to improve conversions doesn't seem like really a whole lot and not enough to justify what you are laying down as facts - for example, I never see you referring to any A/B testing. By your account it just seems like you put something up, it didn't work and you moved on; still, you go off like you have an expert opinion and even acknowledge that you are doing your own tubes.

That's because I AM an expert. I don't need to A/B test anything. My cock tells me what's good and what isn't. I've been in the entertainment biz since 1978 and I KNOW what my audience wants. If I didn't I should just hang up my boots now.

You sure do spend an awful lot of time defending Pornhub on here. Is it really doing that well for you? If so then good for you!

By the way...I consider you to be an expert at this business as well. But there is no way in hell that you can tell me that I'm wrong about the clips I put up on Pornhub and the horrible results it had. I'm REALLY good at what I do. And that traffic sucked.

Of course common sense already told me that. But I decided to go against my instincts and knowledge and give it a shot anyway....

As for MY tube site...it is nothing like Pornhub. Mine is set up to SELL PAYSITE MEMBERSHIPS for every clip on the site. And there are no full scenes.

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 01:51 PM

Networking with customers has often proved to be beneficial for both side. Sadly porn is shit at it. We spend hours talking to ourselves and should a surfer get in here, to upset our flow of talking to each other, we accuse him of being a surfer as if it's an insult.

Freeones has surfers talking to each other. Does it have any professionals talking to the surfers?

We have shows and keep out surfers, we don't want them in upsetting the flow of ideas.

Yes a few use FB, Twitter, etc. And a few on their sites. We all know how powerful a tool it is, but do very very little to use it.

Yes we go onto a site dedicated to giving away as much free porn as possible and preach how good buying porn is.

This industry can't even copy very well. As for innovate and adapt. Yes when it comes to giving away free porn it's good at that. The rest, it just badly copies and calls it new because it happened online.

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Networking with customers has often proved to be beneficial for both side. Sadly porn is shit at it. We spend hours talking to ourselves and should a surfer get in here, to upset our flow of talking to each other, we accuse him of being a surfer as if it's an insult.

Freeones has surfers talking to each other. Does it have any professionals talking to the surfers?

We have shows and keep out surfers, we don't want them in upsetting the flow of ideas.

Yes a few use FB, Twitter, etc. And a few on their sites. We all know how powerful a tool it is, but do very very little to use it.

Yes we go onto a site dedicated to giving away as much free porn as possible and preach how good buying porn is.

This industry can't even copy very well. As for innovate and adapt. Yes when it comes to giving away free porn it's good at that. The rest, it just badly copies and calls it new because it happened online.

What's the best way to sell porn memberships online?

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

What's the best way to sell porn memberships online?

Not the way we have been doing it for the last 12 years.

How stupid was it to ask that question?

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not the way we have been doing it for the last 12 years.

How stupid was it to ask that question?

Not very. I'm hoping to be retired by the time I'm 90...

WarChild · 04-14-2012, 02:15 PM

There's a whole lot of guessing going on in this thread.

In general, it's hard for me to give an exact break down of how many views produced how much traffic because I usually have one sponsor's video on many tubes at one time so it's hard to break it apart.

I started a brand new site from one sponsor on one large tube listing in February so the numbers line up perfectly because there wasn't other traffic coming in at the time. The sponsor was Duke Dollars and if one of their reps wants to confirm the numbers that's fine by me.

The numbers are as follows:

The video was 4 minutes long exactly.
The video got just over 1,500,000 views.
This resulted in 51,274 unique hits to the site.
Hits generated 245 sales (1:209) with 13 Chargebacks/refunds
Total income of $8,190

Actual numbers for one video, one large tube, no guess work. Make of it what you will.

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7

Not very. I'm hoping to be retired by the time I'm 90...

I retired at 58, got bored seeing naked girls spread out before me. How exciting is your life?

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I retired at 58, got bored seeing naked girls spread out before me. How exciting is your life?

Extremely exciting now

ilnjscb · 04-14-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

There's a whole lot of guessing going on in this thread.

In general, it's hard for me to give an exact break down of how many views produced how much traffic because I usually have one sponsor's video on many tubes at one time so it's hard to break it apart.

I started a brand new site from one sponsor on one large tube listing in February so the numbers line up perfectly because there wasn't other traffic coming in at the time. The sponsor was Duke Dollars and if one of their reps wants to confirm the numbers that's fine by me.

The numbers are as follows:

The video was 4 minutes long exactly.
The video got just over 1,500,000 views.
This resulted in 51,274 unique hits to the site.
Hits generated 245 sales (1:209) with 13 Chargebacks/refunds
Total income of $8,190

Actual numbers for one video, one large tube, no guess work. Make of it what you will.

What tube does 1.5 m views for a 4 min vid in 2 months? Xhamster, which is at least number 3, has exactly 5 that did that in the last two months. That is out of 10,000 posted. So a vid has to be one in 2000 to get those kind of numbers on XHAM. Maybe XVID has 10 a month out of 2000 a day. Out of 94,748 Porn.com has ONE that has done those numbers in the last two month. Youporn has 20 out of 148,000.

Most vids get 100,000 or less.

Again if you are the one fabulous genius who creates the pinnacle of perfect content then you'd make money selling on a street corner. Stats are for the rest of us. A good strategy makes money even for "decent" content.

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

What tube does 1.5 m views for a 4 min vid in 2 months? Xhamster, which is at least number 3, has exactly 5 that did that in the last two months. That is out of 10,000 posted. So a vid has to be one in 2000 to get those kind of numbers on XHAM. Maybe XVID has 10 a month out of 2000 a day. Out of 94,748 Porn.com has ONE that has done those numbers in the last two month. Youporn has 20 out of 148,000.

Most vids get 100,000 or less.

Again if you are the one fabulous genius who creates the pinnacle of perfect content then you'd make money selling on a street corner. Stats are for the rest of us. A good strategy makes money even for "decent" content.

There's a lot more that you can do to get views to a video on a tube site besides making it look nice like video search SEO, making quick tgp style tube gateways like tubegalore.com, blogging with video thumbnails linking to the tube video, etc. Be creative

$5 submissions · 04-14-2012, 09:15 PM

DWB has a point though. Tubes are EDUCATING people to have an entitlement mentality. if someone gets used to getting stuff for free, it would be much harder for them to buy content in the future. Need proof? Just check out surfer forums

Colmike9 · 04-14-2012, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

DWB has a point though. Tubes are EDUCATING people to have an entitlement mentality. if someone gets used to getting stuff for free, it would be much harder for them to buy content in the future. Need proof? Just check out surfer forums

True, but for most affiliates there isn't much that you can do about it except either promote niche or adapt to tubes or else you're just stuck complaining about the good old days like it's everyone else's fault

Paul Markham · 04-14-2012, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

What tube does 1.5 m views for a 4 min vid in 2 months? Xhamster, which is at least number 3, has exactly 5 that did that in the last two months. That is out of 10,000 posted. So a vid has to be one in 2000 to get those kind of numbers on XHAM. Maybe XVID has 10 a month out of 2000 a day. Out of 94,748 Porn.com has ONE that has done those numbers in the last two month. Youporn has 20 out of 148,000.

Most vids get 100,000 or less.

Again if you are the one fabulous genius who creates the pinnacle of perfect content then you'd make money selling on a street corner. Stats are for the rest of us. A good strategy makes money even for "decent" content.

ilnjscb please read the rules. Posting the most stupid, illogical and far fetched crap here is the best way to hide the truth.

So he has or submits to a Tube with 1 x 4 min video sample that got 1,500,000 views and generated $8,190 in sales.

So assuming logically that it's not a Tube site with just this one video and it's not so amazingly superior to every other video sample on his site, that he's not showing us, I would assume his tube site or the tube site he submits to is full of these videos. 100 similar would generate $800,190, 200 similar would generate $1,600,380 revenue.

Who has ever heard of a Tube site with only 100 videos on or submitting 100 and getting this kind of return?

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

DWB has a point though. Tubes are EDUCATING people to have an entitlement mentality. if someone gets used to getting stuff for free, it would be much harder for them to buy content in the future. Need proof? Just check out surfer forums

When I first started to post here, most here were telling us how"Nno one who knows how to get free porn, pays for porn".

Now Warchhild is generating millions from these people. So obviously you're wrong.

Or he's talking a pile of shit for idiots to believe. He must know it's my official roll on GFY to talk crap.

Ban Warchild for taking over my role.

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04-14-2012, 01:51 PM	#239
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Networking with customers has often proved to be beneficial for both side. Sadly porn is shit at it. We spend hours talking to ourselves and should a surfer get in here, to upset our flow of talking to each other, we accuse him of being a surfer as if it's an insult. Freeones has surfers talking to each other. Does it have any professionals talking to the surfers? We have shows and keep out surfers, we don't want them in upsetting the flow of ideas. Yes a few use FB, Twitter, etc. And a few on their sites. We all know how powerful a tool it is, but do very very little to use it. Yes we go onto a site dedicated to giving away as much free porn as possible and preach how good buying porn is. This industry can't even copy very well. As for innovate and adapt. Yes when it comes to giving away free porn it's good at that. The rest, it just badly copies and calls it new because it happened online. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-14-2012, 02:15 PM	#243
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	There's a whole lot of guessing going on in this thread. In general, it's hard for me to give an exact break down of how many views produced how much traffic because I usually have one sponsor's video on many tubes at one time so it's hard to break it apart. I started a brand new site from one sponsor on one large tube listing in February so the numbers line up perfectly because there wasn't other traffic coming in at the time. The sponsor was Duke Dollars and if one of their reps wants to confirm the numbers that's fine by me. The numbers are as follows: The video was 4 minutes long exactly. The video got just over 1,500,000 views. This resulted in 51,274 unique hits to the site. Hits generated 245 sales (1:209) with 13 Chargebacks/refunds Total income of $8,190 Actual numbers for one video, one large tube, no guess work. Make of it what you will. __________________ . Last edited by WarChild; 04-14-2012 at 02:16 PM..

04-14-2012, 09:15 PM	#248
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,189	DWB has a point though. Tubes are EDUCATING people to have an entitlement mentality. if someone gets used to getting stuff for free, it would be much harder for them to buy content in the future. Need proof? Just check out surfer forums __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

04-13-2012, 04:53 PM	#212
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04-13-2012, 07:05 PM	#215
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	robbie for most of the partnership programs they are affiliates and taking their cut of the sales. why would they hire staff to cut and upload videos when the sponsor will do it? and when the sponsor knows exactly what will convert and have access to stats, not have to guess at it? think about it.

04-14-2012, 12:03 AM	#220
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	stop stalking me you old creep.

04-14-2012, 12:35 AM	#222
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	mike you have an email need to ask you something blog related no drama.

04-14-2012, 01:26 AM	#226
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	Mike ignore that stupid cunt markham, the silly fuck isn't even in the biz.

04-14-2012, 08:14 AM	#228
ilnjscb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,643	This thread is AWESOME! Clash of the Titans! Now I want to do a tube upload test, but I'm sure if it didn't work I'd get told "you didn't market right, your content wasn't right, you messed this and that up" A growing thriving industry segment has room for noobs and lesser skilled journeyman to succeed. all real GFY quotes Gold rush, first everyone is an amazed noob making bank ("I put up some galleries and after a while I was making 350k/month!") Then, some with more aptitude take share as gold dries up ("We were buying sites left and right") Noobs stop coming in, the ones that do get taken advantage of ("LOL! Another dream dies!") High skilled fight it out ("Jules sues Manwin") A few win and optimize for a shrinking market ("NO one could have predicted how Fabian would dominate this market") Where are we in the cycle?